993 C2 1994 206,000m

[olivers]

Face it. We are a bunch of old fogeys, mostly have these cars as mid-life-crisis toys and I'd wager barely more than one on this thread is much below 40, let alone 30. 911s can be done in your 20s - I had my first one when I was 27 with a smallish car loan and limited budget. I reckon anyone mid-20s might see the 996 with a clearer perspective, as affordable retro cool.

You're probably right, and I reckon a lot depends on what you grew up with. I was 12 when they launched the 993 and I saw my first one. It's been at the top of my list ever since, hence it would always the be last one to go.

 

[Zingari]

I had a 911T when I was 20. But then again I only paid £1,300 for it from Autotrader when it used to be published every Thursday. Somehow I beat all other buyers to it by tipping up the folding the same night. Somehow I did manage to make a 'nominal' profit on it selling it to a chum :wink: He then made a profit on it :bandit:

:hand: I did remember thinking it drove like shoite, loss of steering in the wet and the rear passengers if they didn't prang their suspender belt on the rear seat clips usually ended up doing the breastroke due to water ingress from the rear arches :nooo: My XR3 was a better car at that time of my life

 

[cableguy]

[/quote]I firmly believe they made an enormous error getting out of aircooling, you could bring it back with todays thinking, and technology, and easily meet the silly rules criteria.[/quote]

Ah, you'll be needing one of these sir...

 

[Nimrod]

If they did Cableguy they wouldn't allow the likes of you and I to buy it anyway.

Its a shame they don't make a proper 911R in the same way they did 968cs.

Loose all the clever electronics stuff that we don't need and keep decent passive suspension, steel brakes, manual box 400hp, non sunroof and a decent pair of bucket seats, with the emphasis on light weight and chassis balance and steering feel. A 911 club sport for £75K that anybody can walk into a OPC and buy. Like the GT4 but in a 911 shell with the only option being rear seats delete.

If they did we may not still pine for our air cooled classics, it will never happen but I'd buy one.

What do we think it would cost to build a 964 or 993 today to the same quality if using robots to weld the shell and paint fitted with a DFi engine ?

 

[carkid]

What do we think it would cost to build a 964 or 993 today to the same quality if using robots to weld the shell and paint fitted with a DFi engine ?

Well, taking inflation into account a 993 when brand new cost around £110,000 in today's money....

 

[Palladium]

I agree with the post about aircooled and the young, truth is, I am not sure that many of todays young are into cars, its all about talking ***** all day, fiddling with their phones, discussing celebrities and silly tv shows, walking around in a trance with their beats headphones on, and thinking that 'tatts' are so clever.

Shallow comes to mind.

 

[Nimrod]

Carkid, I think they could make something of similar quality for 70-80K using a water cooled engine and sensible use of robots to make and paint the shell if they removed all the electrics crap that doesn't interest me .

I know there are lots of Porsche owners that enjoy the toys and nobody buys one without options because of the worry over resale but the rise of Singers and other backdates and the huge popularity of the GT4 surely suggests there is a market for a simple 911 aimed at people who love driving but want a smile organic feeling modern 911.

A friend bought a 306 xsi last week for £200 that he has lightly tweaked cracking fun for the money and so simple and natural to drive .

 

[Palladium]

I believe there is a big market for 'going back'. I don't even need elec windows. Porsche should use the 3.2 chassis or 993, and make an aircooled with all the strengths learnt, rolled into one car, a basic car, but big emphasis on rust proofing, brakes, suspension and bullet proof engines. Drop all the add ons and options. keep radio/cd, make decent heating ventilation, manual sunroof. keep it as light as possible.

believe me it would sell.


p,s maybe throw in a cup holder.

 

[Kimbo]

Face it. We are a bunch of old fogeys, mostly have these cars as mid-life-crisis toys and I'd wager barely more than one on this thread is much below 40, let alone 30. 911s can be done in your 20s - I had my first one when I was 27 with a smallish car loan and limited budget. I reckon anyone mid-20s might see the 996 with a clearer perspective, as affordable retro cool.

Even if the young like the old cars, they don't put up with crap ventilation and heating systems, lack of decent aircon, abs, trickle chargers, offset pedals, creaking windscreens and mega maintenance bills. Us old gits put up with it but to them it's just old fashioned and dangerous. I don't blame them.

I think I may be getting younger as I get older (or getting older as I get older) because I can't be doing with it either.

The days of braking in a a 70's 911 on wet leaves on a public road and feeling it lock up and fishtailing are long gone, thank the Lord.

Glad I'm still here to tell the tales.

 

[Kimbo]

I had a 911T when I was 20. I did remember thinking it drove like shoite, loss of steering in the wet

There were shoite, as was my 911S. Broke down all the time, sounded like a VW, terrible gear change. I drove mine to the South of France and nearly dumped it at the side of the road and got the plane home. Thinking back, I think my girlfriend did get the plane home.

When I stepped into my first 993, it was a world apart from all previous air-cooled Porsches. Everything worked, felt solid and safe. Still does, still rate them but not as a daily drive.

My dream would be a 993 body on a 996/7 chassis and mechanicals. If it happens one day, I might even sell the Cayman.

 

[Palladium]

you did your time, now you are coming home, home to a world of luxury, power and reasonable garage bills, I think that is what you are saying.

kimbo, if you had 50k to blow on one car tomorrow, what would it be? You could have it as well as your current car.

 

[Kimbo]

If I could get it for £50,000, I'd have a 70's backdate (Gruppe B style) with modern running gear - Magnus Walker type thing.

Those early shapes do it for me, especially when they are low and loud.

Mind you, I think £50k is maybe not enough nowadays. In a Zingari kind of way, I value those old Porsches at around £20k max. There to be thrashed around, not worry about where to park them etc.

When I had them they were £5000 - £8000 for a decent example. I can't get my head around £50,000 let alone £100,000.

 

[Palladium]

you probably don't know autofarm in Bicester, they store customers cars and specialise in looking after 1973 rs, I was up there last week, and one is up for sale, a left hooker, non-lightweight, 450 grand. dident look a lot better than my sc, lol. As you say, 50k is poor mans money believe it or not.

 

[Kimbo]

I know them well, and they've always been very expensive even when the old stuff wasn't fashionable. They're up a level from Paul Stephens.

As Zingari says, smoke n mirrors chum. 70's RS? £25 grand. Not much better to drive than a sorted SC, if at all.

I had a 427 AC Cobra once. Absolute dog to drive. Bought from the Chequered Flag in Chiswick. Couldn't give it away in the 80's.

Now...£££££. Still a dog.

World has gone mad.

 

[ballcock]

You lot really are a bunch of grumpy old GITS..














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