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Why a 911 v's others

daz parker said:
Thanks everyone for you honest answers.

@phil997 thanks for the reply it was a good read, I have read many of your replys while I search this forum.

I've seen the tombstone seats in the earlier Porsche cars and I fit some in my mk1 caddy so that's good to know.

Are they an optional extra or standard seat?

You have also answered one of questions I didn't ask as the gym trip is about 7 miles from home and I wouldn't want to be running start stop and the engine not getting hot enough.

For my budget I've found early 2005 cars with about 50k miles and some higher mileage ones that have had a rebuild.

As for modding I wasn't going to do much just exhaust hack, maybe air intake, wheel spacers and maybe gen 2 wheels, gen 2 led lights etc


Daz the comfort seats are the standard seat if you don't tick the box for sports seats , some will have embossed headrests some wont again it was a tick box when new.
If you buying a 05 car without the rebuild then do factor in the 1k for the IMS upgrade and get it done quite soon as failure is sudden and catastrophic and a rebuild. and 50k is not high enough mileage for the opinion that its less likely to happen if its done high mileage and not happened . also without an invoice there is no way of knowing if its already had the newer ones fitted.

high 20k should get you into a 06 or maybe even an 07 car early to mid 20k will be an 05, have you looked at the cars for sale bit of the forum.

your list of mods is a great starting place but it is a slippery slope lol

re the cars that say rebuild, dont assume its a full rebuild if its a hartech rebuild you can call baz or grant and they can tell you what was done to that car. but a rebuild can mean anything from just the scored one usually 6 or 4 as they seem to get more starved of oil than the others . or it might be the whole bank 4,5,6 or may be the lot 1 to 6 , now there is nothing wrong with a car that for example has only had number 6 replaced but it wont be the bullet proof rebuild that you are expecting and as long as your paying the correct price knowing that ,then thats fine, but some chancers will be asking top dollar for a rebuild engine and all that was done was the one that was scored. The guys on here are good at giving advise but if you see a sweet car I suggest you pick one or two members and pm them for there opinion as if you post the ad on the open forum and everyone says go for it , some lurker will bang a cash deposit on it without seeing it and before you can move on it.
good luck keep us posted mate.
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Monkeynutz said:
Had one on my bedroom wall in the early 80s and always promised myself I would have one.

Stopped dreaming and entered into BMW ownership over 12 years ago and thought the M3/M4 would be my dream car. Last year I decided life was to short and looked into splashing out on an M4. A big discount offer had me hooked and I asked for a drive and the dealer took me out in a 12 month old M4. While driving we discussed the price of the demo model and I was shocked at the price difference. I woke up to BMW depreciation and the car didn't feel special enough to warrant the cost of ownership.

I thought it would be fun to check out what sort of Porsche I could afford (still in dream land or so I thought) and OPC Cambs offered me an afternoon of hooning around with a C4S and a 718S. Fell in love with a 718S as I couldn't make the math work for me on a new C4S at twice the price. Older P-Cars didn't get a look in as I thought they were dated especially coming from newer well equipped BMWs. I told the dealer that a 997 was out of the question and it had to be 2013+.....

After many months of thinking about it and sitting on a build for a new 718S I asked the OPC for a 718S for a day to test. I really did like it but decided, with a heavy heart, that it was never going to scratch the itch for a 911. Another consideration was coming from a much larger car the cabin felt a little bit too cramped for my liking and couldn't see myself driving 400+ miles in it. I didn't pull the trigger and told the dealer I would restart my search for a 991.

I was working in Leicester and popped into the OPC for the fun of it and considered a moderately spec'ced C4S 2012 991 for similar money as my 718S build. But then it clicked....

Next to the 991 was a 2010 997.2 C4S for £20k less. It was love at first sight! :) Easy money maths considering what I was prepared to pay. I hadn't done a lot of research on the older models and the dealer suggested I took it out for a drive as I told him I would never consider a 997. It looked so good sat there that I figured it would be rude not to.

Within 5-10 mins of a spirited drive under the instruction of the salesman I was hooked. It frightened the life out of me and the adrenaline was pumping. It felt very special, it felt fast and that noise! I told the salesman that I would have it pending an agreement on the price.

Needless to say we did a deal and I haven't looked back. I don't desire a newer model and if anything I have since learnt to appreciate the value in the older models. Don't get me wrong if money was no object I would have a newer 911 or a GT model but at twice or three times as much money I don't think my smile would be proportionately bigger than it is when I drive my 997.

I now don't desire the technology that I thought I would miss. I enjoy driving again. I don't need the technology of iDrive or Harmon kardon to enhance the driving experience. I have all the technology I need and more very firmly in the palm of my hands when I get into the 911. I feel like I am driving something special. I rarely use the Bose system because even after 5.5k miles the sound of the car is intoxicating especially when moving up to the higher end of the rev range ;) I am now of the belief that when I was in the BMW I needed the toys because the driving experience was otherwise bland.

In the 7 months of ownership my love of the car is growing and as for depreciation..well if it's anything to go by a couple of indies have told me I paid a good price and would probably have to pay more for it now..Good news when I have been used to losing a ton when driving a BMW off the forecourt. It's a bit of a shock to the system but it makes me smile every time I think about. Joining this forum, PCGB and Tipec has really opened my eyes, I love the Porsche ownership experience even if it does come at a price!

So why a 911? It's iconic and it's cracking value! It's a no brainer seriously! :)

great report MN :thumb: nice one
and glad its not just me that writes essays :grin: :grin:
 
pzero said:
Are you the all action Darelle Parker? If so, you will have no worries with a 911, you will fit in just nicely. :thumb: And welcome aboard. :welcome:

Sorry no.
 
daz parker said:
pzero said:
Are you the all action Darelle Parker? If so, you will have no worries with a 911, you will fit in just nicely. :thumb: And welcome aboard. :welcome:

Sorry no.

Well that Daz Parker she is fit, but bodybuilder she ain't :floor: :thumb:
 
Phil 997 said:
Monkeynutz said:
Had one on my bedroom wall in the early 80s and always promised myself I would have one.

great report MN :thumb: nice one
and glad its not just me that writes essays :grin: :grin:

Hehe cheers Phil, having set the bar high you leave the rest of us having to dig deeper than normal :D I could discuss the topic for hours...much to my good lady's annoyance :p
 
I think buying the 911 over any other car is harder for me.

Id normally go with a bag of pound notes and make a cheeky offer cash on table take it or leave it offer but I don't have that luxury as much when I say by the way take the car for a ppi and borescope checking then I'll offer as the seller knows I've already put money into buying the car.

As for modding that's tame compared to what I've done to a few cars and vans but then I've run stock range rovers for years too.
 
Monkeynutz said:
Phil 997 said:
Monkeynutz said:
Had one on my bedroom wall in the early 80s and always promised myself I would have one.

great report MN :thumb: nice one
and glad its not just me that writes essays :grin: :grin:

Hehe cheers Phil, having set the bar high you leave the rest of us having to dig deeper than normal :D I could discuss the topic for hours...much to my good lady's annoyance :p


:floor: but it has to be better than being a golf widow :grin: at least we are usually only on the pc, or outside doing bits to them (car not good lady :floor: )
 
daz parker said:
I think buying the 911 over any other car is harder for me.

Id normally go with a bag of pound notes and make a cheeky offer cash on table take it or leave it offer but I don't have that luxury as much when I say by the way take the car for a ppi and borescope checking then I'll offer as the seller knows I've already put money into buying the car.

As for modding that's tame compared to what I've done to a few cars and vans but then I've run stock range rovers for years too.

I do know what you mean mate but also these cars unlike most others do hold value or even go up a bit so what you don't save at the start you should gain at the end. nothing stopping you doing the haggle and agreeing price subject to it passing the ppi etc and put down a refundable cash deposit. all before any cash outlay for the ppi. any seller confident in the vehicle should have no issue with that and if they do its best to walk anyway as what are they trying to hide. :thumb:
 
daz parker said:
I think buying the 911 over any other car is harder for me.

Id normally go with a bag of pound notes and make a cheeky offer cash on table take it or leave it offer but I don't have that luxury as much when I say by the way take the car for a ppi and borescope checking then I'll offer as the seller knows I've already put money into buying the car.

As for modding that's tame compared to what I've done to a few cars and vans but then I've run stock range rovers for years too.

I'm the same I love to haggle but I didn't realise how difficult it was buying a 911 and I've lost money haggling over the price.
My first 911 a 996 C2 was a private sale and I couldn't agree the price, I wanted another £500 off. The seller told me he was going to look at a 993 and if they didn't offer a better trade in than me I could have it.
The next day I went and saw 2 other cars both absolute basket cases! Realising the first car was worth that extra £500 I rang the seller unfortunately he was in his new 993 and had traded the 996 I wanted so bad by this point I rang the dealer and paid £1000 over the £500 to take it as seen!! I've learnt the lesson and I now haggle but I don't walk away without the 911 if it the right one. Searching part of the fun, enjoy
 
When i was 17 in my prime :lol: i remember having a discussion about cars in a group and every one stated what car they wanted, some of the guys were saying, lambourghinis, ferraris, Jaguar XJ220 (remember thar car)?, list went on but no one said a Porsche apart from me so i said Porsche cos i love em and the comment i heard was " WHY DO YOU WANT A FAST VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE" i thought you wa@@er .. anyway years later i got my porsche and two of the guys saw me shopping with my wife,and they rememberd that comment when i raised it, they were driving beaten up cars. The look on their faces was something else,a porsche was built for racing from day one, its either you like it or you dont... its a 911 a practical supercar in my books...buy and enjoy, you will get that celebrity status of looks where ever you go and i get it all the time :thumb:

Enjoy...

J
 
I think German engineering is pretty good and if you buy one over 10 years old you avoid most of the depreciation, just like BMW and Mercedes. What is not to like?

MC
 
I wrote the below in 2015. Some details have changed (I've finished my doctorate, my total 911 mileage is comfortably above 100k and the 997.1 turbo is on my driveway), but the sentiment remains the same :thumbs:

New997buyer said:
My personal prism is an unusual one. I fell for the company long before I fell for the car.

I grew up in the 70's and 80's with amazing cars all around me. My father was a mechanic and owned a garage. One of my first memories is being washed in the kitchen sink by him and one of his mechanics. To this day I love the smell of Swarfega. I used to watch him as a little boy and he'd put sugar in it to wash the oil off. The driveway was always filled with amazing cars. Lotus Cortina's, E-Type's, Mk2's, BMW's and Aston Martins.

Yup I was born a petrol head. :drive:

My teen years were spent in magazines or helping the old boy with various projects (he'd 'retired' by this stage and we had moved to the Highlands). Panel beating a rolled GPO Bedford van. Changing the wings and gear box in a Capri. Doing the brakes on a Vauxhaul Firenza. And so on. :mechanic:

I was a car geek but.....much to my father's shame.....rubbish with a spanner. My brother was the technically gifted one. I was the bookworm. :damn:


I exercised my car love in various ways but then while doing a Masters I stumbled on Porsche when I needed an interesting case study. It was 2002 and I needed a company to research for an assignment. Porsche seemed like something it might be worthwhile to spend a Friday night time learning about. But when I started to research it I fell in love the rise of WW (long before the 'fall'), the shift in production line approaches, the incorporation of Kaisen, Kanban, Six sigma, Customer Focused Strategic Segmentation, Employee Engagement, Corporate Financial Models and so on Porsche was world class in every area. I spent the whole weekend in the library (it was a ten mile cycle ride away) pulling off everything about Porsche. Everything. :typing:

And that was it. Every one of my topics used Porsche as the subject matter or case study. Imagine a year of studying Porsche. I loved it and was the second in the whole class. By under 1%. :loser: (I can tell you to this day the exam question that cost me the class prize AND the paragraph I got wrong :evil: )

I still use Porsche now as a case study when dealing with various companies. Leadership? WW. Unintended consequences? Bore Scoring. Successful culture change? Porsche. Failed organisational measurement systems? IMS claims. Investment genius? Porsche tricking a wealthy investor (VW) to pay for building a factory so that the first car off the line is cash positive. (And more profitable than the Toerag) Sophisticated SCM? Valmet and early Boxtser production. And so on. :camera:

I can get a little Porsche Protective on here and challenge when I hear claims like 'the company cut costs' or 'the company has lost it's way'. I do that as there is so much more going on those simple generalisations. Porsche's failings are far more interesting than these. But yes, I can be over zealous. :soapbox: :yawn:

I bought my first 996 (a Mk1 2001, C2) in dubious green (Jungle apparently not forest) with Suicide Savannah interior in 2010. On the advice of those on this forum I engaged Peter Morgan and paid out a small fortune making it perfect. (As perfect as a Green with Savannah can be of course). It had 37k miles on it and I ran 'Jess' for 3 and a half years and took it up to 90k miles. It was sensational. I was now in love with the car as well as the brand. More so. :cloud9:

The way you can feel the weight 'swing' until you know it's ready for the throttle to be applied at the exit of corner. The 'weird' steering that's just too light until you're used to it in corners. The 3rd gear to 4th gear dash between corners on a swooping Scottish Highlands A road. The ability of it to start in winter first time when caked in snow. :drive:

I tried to explain it once to a mate who had a C63 AMG. I said, drunkenly, 'you don't get it, once you've felt the way it sits and moves you'll never want anything again'. He's never taken me up on the chance of a drive and now he's in an E63.... :eek:ut:

My Mum was alive for just 3 months from first sitting in my 911. I took her in it for her cancer diagnosis. It made her happy 'her boy' had a Porsche and I'd like to think it gave her something amid the darkness of those days. I remember it ferrying me from London to Glasgow at a speed that would have seen me in trouble with plod had they pulled me the weekend she died.

My Dad and I spent a number of journeys in my little 911, revisiting the places we had known when my Mum was alive. But he never got over her and the little 911 carried me on another journey north when he died while I was in SA on business. Even though I'd been on a plane all night 'Jess' got me there. I will always associate the love of the car with the last few years with my parents.

Don't mean to be morbid: just being honest.

In short my passion for the brand has been my guiding light in a personal as well as a personal capacity for nearly 13 years now. In that time I've covered 54k in my C2 and 16k in my turbo. As I finish another degree the thought of being able to buy a newer turbo is what spurs me on. :heat:

I can't imagine life now without a Porsche. For me there really is no substitute :porsche:

Thanks for reading :cheers:

More examples in the thread it came from:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=100116&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=personal+prism&start=0

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For me personally, I buy into the brand. I've never had a bad experience from OPC's. Actually it's the total opposite, the dealerships, especially the service management have gone above and beyond to make sure when they bring back the cars are in a better condition than when the car was collected.

The best advice I can give is don't ever scrimp on general running costs or servicing otherwise it will haunt you with repair bills. As per the reason there are plenty of Porsche vehicles on the market which are requiring expensive repair bills. Nobody should buy a Porsche without either buying it directly from a OPC with 2yrs warranty and BDS or if not an OPC get the potential purchase independently inspected by a Porsche specialist garage or a 111 check at an OPC.

A friend of mine is also a big lad, he struggles with sports seats and standard seats. The design is more for the slimmer build person, if you don't fit, well you don't fit. Not every penny fits the slot, as they say.
 
The 911 is and always has been a marmite car. You do either love them or hate them. Obviously everyone here has immaculate taste and loves them, including me. After an approximate 12 year break I just bought my 7th 911, a lovely stock 2006 manual carrera S cab. My first convertible ! Must be getting old.......

When I look at it I don't see an 11 year old car, I see "my" 911, which is going to be the one I keep. 8)
 
Thanks for the replys again.

Im sure most will say don't buy private but if it's checked out by an Indy then that's a few grand saved over buying from an Indy.

I don't scrimp on maintenance I have cars bikes and vans and they all get what they need, the ktm enduring is the worst at an oil change every ride, good jobs it's only 650ml of oil.

I do all my own service work but on high value cars a stamp in the book is worth the extra.

Rsj have a silver 2005 3.8 with blue int 55k for £28,000 but a non Porsche dealer has nearly exactly the same car for £22,000.

Values can be all over BUT I'm sure most will say the rsj will be better checked out but the 6k difference is a lot, what's a ppi and bores scope check £500 max.
 

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