While reading of the issue squelch has to attend to on his GTS and noting the corrosion on the fixings had rattled my cage once again..
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I too am a worshipper at the alter of deMort, but it seems we may disagree on the justifications for using the self destructing fixings Porsche seem to have been using since the 80`s onward..?
By way of an explanation, over many a year I even bought Porsche packaged nuts, bolts and screws, all of which were either plated or treated in some way which I can honestly say were of far superior quality to some of the fixings Porsche seem to utilise today in some locations. Back in the late 70`s while nailing my rusted out old 60`s 912 back together, the way that screws nuts and bolts which I expected to snap suprisingly loosened off, was that which drew me into the Porsche fold as an admirer of quality engineering when compared to all other of my vehicles which I had worked on up till that time...
Yeah early Porsches rotted like most other cars around at the 60`s and 70`s, but there were definite signs that someone with engineering priorities was able to make decisions at Porsche, as opposed to the bean counters...? Looking at the self destructing fixings utilised in various locations on my 991 and the history recorded here on this forum of the requirement to make use of jigs, drills and taps to resolve issues with fixings, that for me should present little or no issue on a high quality machine. Not being a metallurgist, I would not care to promote alternatives but I would like to think that perhaps a few extra Pounds spent at the time of production on incorporating higher quality fixings would save a fair bit of pain and grief for the legions of enthusiastic Porsche owners around the world who put so much into the repair maintenance and restoration of their older Porsches, which I suspect allows Porsche to oft times boast of the high number of Porsches still in existence or in use compared to other marques..?
Yeah well you may think that if fixings can last ten or more years then that might seem reasonable, but not for me, not only given the possible expectations of the possible lifespan of a Porsche, but for fixings to decay well ahead of the exhaust system suggests that perhaps the selection of materials could be improved upon...?
OK, OK so tell me I`m wrong, and that RUF or Singer or any of the high quality manufacturers/re-manufacturers use only original Porsche fixings to hold their exhaust or other components in place...?
Whadaya fink... :thumb:
www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=149209
I too am a worshipper at the alter of deMort, but it seems we may disagree on the justifications for using the self destructing fixings Porsche seem to have been using since the 80`s onward..?
By way of an explanation, over many a year I even bought Porsche packaged nuts, bolts and screws, all of which were either plated or treated in some way which I can honestly say were of far superior quality to some of the fixings Porsche seem to utilise today in some locations. Back in the late 70`s while nailing my rusted out old 60`s 912 back together, the way that screws nuts and bolts which I expected to snap suprisingly loosened off, was that which drew me into the Porsche fold as an admirer of quality engineering when compared to all other of my vehicles which I had worked on up till that time...
Yeah early Porsches rotted like most other cars around at the 60`s and 70`s, but there were definite signs that someone with engineering priorities was able to make decisions at Porsche, as opposed to the bean counters...? Looking at the self destructing fixings utilised in various locations on my 991 and the history recorded here on this forum of the requirement to make use of jigs, drills and taps to resolve issues with fixings, that for me should present little or no issue on a high quality machine. Not being a metallurgist, I would not care to promote alternatives but I would like to think that perhaps a few extra Pounds spent at the time of production on incorporating higher quality fixings would save a fair bit of pain and grief for the legions of enthusiastic Porsche owners around the world who put so much into the repair maintenance and restoration of their older Porsches, which I suspect allows Porsche to oft times boast of the high number of Porsches still in existence or in use compared to other marques..?
Yeah well you may think that if fixings can last ten or more years then that might seem reasonable, but not for me, not only given the possible expectations of the possible lifespan of a Porsche, but for fixings to decay well ahead of the exhaust system suggests that perhaps the selection of materials could be improved upon...?
OK, OK so tell me I`m wrong, and that RUF or Singer or any of the high quality manufacturers/re-manufacturers use only original Porsche fixings to hold their exhaust or other components in place...?
Whadaya fink... :thumb: