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Multi year annoying oil leak finally fixed.

berni29

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Hi

Back in 2011ish I rebuilt the top end of the engine with my brother (broken piston ring). All went well, but the car was left with a significant oil leak.

Over the years I have looked to no avail to actually find where it was coming from. I thought I had it early on when I discovered the jubilee clip to the crankcase breather had not been done up. But no. It looked like the cylinder bases were a real possible, but hard to prove. Also when we sealed the cam housings on we were a bit slow with one as it got caught on a locating pin and I thought the sealant may have gone off a bit.

So I was resigned to taking the engine out again. I have been living abroad the last 7+ years so it just had not happened. If it was not so cold recently I would have dropped it out and also done the bottom end as well this time. The reason for the bottom end being considered for a refurb was because in traffic with the temp above 9 o'clock the oil warning light would flick on, so I suspected low oil pressure.

Then I was reading threads on Rennlist about oil pressure and associated problems that people were having and have had with the pressure sender. Mine has always behaved a bit strangely as the gauge would jump around sharply sometimes. So I thought I had better change it before dropping the engine again. Matt at Type 911 has OEM german made ones at a reasonable price and keeps them in stock so I bought one.

So on the non varioram car just remove the airbox and access is fine. Having failed to get the sender out easily I just undid the two 10mm bolts and took the whole housing out.

Well, to say the big "O" ring that seals the housing was in bad condition was an understatement. It was hard and had also been pinched when originally fitted.

I don't know how it was not changed while the engine was out but it wasn't. So Matt also keeps the "O" rings in stock and one nice fat green one later the sender was changed and it was all back together.

The very top of the engine has always looked a bit oily, but I thought that was just residue from the original breather debacle, and my brother and I thought there was not much chance that much oil could leak out of the engine from there. The M.O. of the leak was so strange it just did not seem likely to be coming from up there also. Sometimes the car would leak no oil while sitting for a week then after 3 weeks there would be 1/4 of a litre under the car.

But it was from the sender housing. The leak has gone, the smell has gone. Its just great. No more drips following the car as I pull away (especially embarassing in the rain).

Plus, with the new sender the oil pressure reads totally normal even when hot. The resistor mod to the oil temp sender in the front to cut the fan in earlier also helps.

So I am super happy as it was a major issue.

Apologies for the long post!

Berni
 
Hi

I have read that on Varioram cars it is a right PITA. But there may be a way to make life easier. Hopefully a varioram owner has been through this.

It could be dropping the engine a bit may help.

All I can say is that if you do change the sender then renew the housing oil seal!

All the best

Berni
 
I did this o-ring a few months ago, it failed as I swapped out the pressure sensor.

Mine's a 94 so access was ok, but I still had to chop a 22mm in half to get the sensor in properly.

Glad yours is all sorted :)
 

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Gwsinc said:
I did this o-ring a few months ago, it failed as I swapped out the pressure sensor.

Mine's a 94 so access was ok, but I still had to chop a 22mm in half to get the sensor in properly.

Glad yours is all sorted :)

good stuff....a proper home spanner always has half a dozen home made specialist tools like this !: )
 
Gwsinc said:
I did this o-ring a few months ago, it failed as I swapped out the pressure sensor.

Mine's a 94 so access was ok, but I still had to chop a 22mm in half to get the sensor in properly.

Glad yours is all sorted :)

Hi

Great spanner, but if you had the housing out why did you not fit the new sensor while it was out and then bolt the whole thing fitted with new "O" ring in.

Mind you a vice of some sort would have been required to hold the housing while you tighten the sensor. Are you sure we are talking about the same "O" ring? This is like 3cm across and green.
 

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Do you have any pics guys?, here's the top of my varioram engine...

Which are you talking about?,

Trev

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Cameltoe & Heel said:
Do you have any pics guys?, here's the top of my varioram engine...

Which are you talking about?,

Trev

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Here you go Trev red circle. :thumb:

ATB :)
 

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On my 911 SC and models up to and perhaps including the 3.2 the oil pressure sender unit was much more accessible being positioned at the timing chain end of the engine. I had not realised that later engines had altered the sensor location..Duh !
 
Hi Guys

These pictures of the offending "O" ring (taken from Rennlist)
 

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hi Berni,

now new pressure sender fitted is it giving better pressure readings so no bottom end rebuild now,

i have had a fluctuating oil temp gauge for ages but pretty sure its just a dry electrical connection on back of dial as a gentle tap and it behaves as it should,

mines done a few miles now,up to 226,000 and have some annoying oil leaks i need to attack,
will definitely be putting new pressure sender and seal on as well as cam cover seals (must buy a set of alloy covers) and timing chain seals(again)
hope you and the family are all keeping safe,
 
sadman said:
mines done a few miles now, up to 226,000 and have some annoying oil leaks i need to attack,
will definitely be putting new pressure sender and seal on as well as cam cover seals (must buy a set of alloy covers) and timing chain seals(again)
hope you and the family are all keeping safe,

Hi

Mine is on 197k, I am really looking forwards to 200k. All safe thank you. Getting a lot of work done on the car :). I hope things are also OK for you and your family.

There are certain oil leaks that are quite difficult to altogether cure and seem to reoccur, the timing chain covers are certainly one of them. It's not just the actual seals that fail, but the rubber grommets that the retaining studs pass through harden because of the heat and loose their effectiveness.

There has been a bit written about the aluminium valve covers, I did read about one downside, but for the life of me cannot remember what it was.

It's not too difficult to get the gauges out, it might be time to fix the connection on your one.

All the best

Berni
 
Thanks Berni, from memory mine was pretty clean and dry in that area but I'll swap it out with a new seal when I rebuild the engine.

Trev
 
berni29 said:
Hi

Great spanner, but if you had the housing out why did you not fit the new sensor while it was out and then bolt the whole thing fitted with new "O" ring in.

Mind you a vice of some sort would have been required to hold the housing while you tighten the sensor. Are you sure we are talking about the same "O" ring? This is like 3cm across and green.

Yes this is the same o-ring I did. I do have a small vice but I didn't want to risk bending or scratching the housing in a vice while torqueing it up.
 

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