my 996 Turbo Smoking a lot

[New997buyer]

:evil:

If you don't b0ll0ck them I will. Morons! :x

Can you drain some of that off ASAP? As you can probably tell from the responses its really bad to overfill the turbo engine.

Hate to see something like this happen to a fellow owner and hope it all works out okay :?

Hi just for my information, why is it particularly bad to overfill a 996 turbo engine? As I understand it there is a separate(ish) oil tank not a conventional sump, so less risk of crank/rods frothing the oil. I am just curious why overfilling is so much worse in a turbocharged engine.

:dont know: don't know technically, I just know from sources such as this its a massive 'no no'. I'll let someone more knowledgeable do the science bit! :grin:

 

[ragpicker]

Overfilling can make the oil spill over into the exhaust. This causes a lot of smoke and screws your lambda sensors quickly.

At £500 for the set this is not a good thing.

Worse still, if very overfilled the oil can spill into the inlet, then into the engine and cause hydraulic locking. This jams your engine and needs an expensive rebuild.

So yeah, it can be a big deal!

 

[NXI20]

Not to mention coating the cats in unburnt oil which will do them no good at all.

There's 2 drains, one at the bottom of the main dry sump tank & another on the side of the crankcase at about the lowest point. If you remove the crankcase drain when cold & let it drain a litre or so into a container, you should be OK to start it & get the oil hot. Add back what you need to get the gauge to read correctly (each bar is about 250ml); job done.

Garages often don't let the car come up to temperature after an oil change to measure the oil level properly & just add back a set amount. Not all the oil drains away when it's changed & so you can wind up with too much.

Find an indie who gives a ***** - if they can't be bothered to get something as simple as this right, what else aren't they doing right?

 

[NineExcellence]

It is 8.8-9.0 litres on a 996 Turbo because you also have to drain the oil from both catch cans.

Our advice is to leave the oil at one bar (0.25l) below the top level - that way you never over fill.

Don't leave this over filled for long - as other said it is not a good thing.

Ken

 

[melodasi]

Thanks I will try to drain it tomorrow and see how it goes.

 

[infrasilver]

Was it a Porsche specialist that serviced your car? If it was they should of known and are never to be trusted again, if it wasn't, lesson learnt and they should never be trusted again.

 

[cheshire911]

Why on earth are you b#gg&ring about with draining the oil?
This is a matter for the so-called experts (OPC or Indy) to sort out.

Phone them and if need be, they will have to have the car low-loaded back to them at their expense or a written consent to indemnify you against losses and damages arising from their insistence that you drive the vehicle to their premises to rectify their blunder(s).

Simple matter. Stand firm and hand the problem back to the outfit that created the problem.

 

[New997buyer]

Why on earth are you b#gg&ring about with draining the oil?
This is a matter for the so-called experts (OPC or Indy) to sort out.

Phone them and if need be, they will have to have the car low-loaded back to them at their expense or a written consent to indemnify you against losses and damages arising from their insistence that you drive the vehicle to their premises to rectify their blunder(s).

Simple matter. Stand firm and hand the problem back to the outfit that created the problem.

+1 from me too.

Sorry to come over all 'Captain Consumer' (here and on another thread as well!) but you're the one who's the victim of poor workmanship. Your mechanic really ought to be putting this right at their expense.

I'm all for pragmatism as NX120 suggests if that's the best immediate solution for you. But I'm with Cheshire911 overall: your mechanic has seriously screwed up here. Sure it was probably not intended but that's not your issue. Nor even his. The deal is you pay them, they do it right.

Horrible situation you're in and I really hope it works out okay. Not trying to patronise just trying to point out options :thumb:

(Btw If you paid by credit card you may want to consider contacting them to see if they automatically cover you for any breach of contract etc? Some have these sorts of cover logged away in their t's & c's. - you may then be able to cancel your payment and that buys you leverage.)

 

[ragpicker]

Dear me, is it any wonder the country is in the state its in?

With people reaching for strongly worded consumer rights letters at the drop of a hat.

Sometimes the pragmatic approach works best. A simple phone call to the garage initially and see what they say. Alternatively just drain half a litre off. It'll take you 10 minutes and the problem will be solved and the lesson learnt - don't use them again.

What I'm saying is that whilst I agree with Cheshire911 and New996buyers principles, the propensity for consumers to immediately waste their own time with legal sounding letters and heavy handedness ultimately wastes your time and gets other peoples backs up.

Why would you want to waste another day out of your life writing a letter, waiting for a low loader, waiting for the garage to do their job, picking your car up etc etc. 10 minutes with a socket set and the job is done.

Maybe its just me
:dont know:

 

[lofi]

Dear me, is it any wonder the country is in the state its in?

With people reaching for strongly worded consumer rights letters at the drop of a hat.

Sometimes the pragmatic approach works best. A simple phone call to the garage initially and see what they say. Alternatively just drain half a litre off. It'll take you 10 minutes and the problem will be solved and the lesson learnt - don't use them again.

What I'm saying is that whilst I agree with Cheshire911 and New996buyers principles, the propensity for consumers to immediately waste their own time with legal sounding letters and heavy handedness ultimately wastes your time and gets other peoples backs up.

Why would you want to waste another day out of your life writing a letter, waiting for a low loader, waiting for the garage to do their job, picking your car up etc etc. 10 minutes with a socket set and the job is done.

Maybe its just me
:dont know:

It's not just you. Teach them a lesson by giving them a good telling off, but I wouldn't be spending the time and effort sending the car back to them. Just drop some oil out of it and never go there again. If your of T8 mechanical ability then hopefully you have a local garage with a spanner that will take pity.

 

[New997buyer]

Dear me, is it any wonder the country is in the state its in?

With people reaching for strongly worded consumer rights letters at the drop of a hat.

Sometimes the pragmatic approach works best. A simple phone call to the garage initially and see what they say. Alternatively just drain half a litre off. It'll take you 10 minutes and the problem will be solved and the lesson learnt - don't use them again.

What I'm saying is that whilst I agree with Cheshire911 and New996buyers principles, the propensity for consumers to immediately waste their own time with legal sounding letters and heavy handedness ultimately wastes your time and gets other peoples backs up.

Why would you want to waste another day out of your life writing a letter, waiting for a low loader, waiting for the garage to do their job, picking your car up etc etc. 10 minutes with a socket set and the job is done.

Maybe its just me
:dont know:

:floor:
Hey dude, no it's not just you. Think we're in violent agreement. Absolutely agree that reasonableness is the order of the day and let's hope it works just fine :thumb:

Only pointing out to the OP that this sort of oversight could have left him in a real pickle and was quite a serious one. It's also good to appreciate your rights in these situations. The garage may be fine about it and pragmatism hopefully rules the day. Jackpot! :grin:

But being well informed I'm sure is never a bad thing. If it was a brake issue the level of oversight would be more 'felt' and 'real'. Oil overfill can feel minor, though as pointed out here, it's really really not

Mind you I'm curious why reference to knowing the law is assumed to mean conflict, letters, litigation and 'heavy handedness'!?! The best lawyers I know (yup I was a lawyer so I know quite a few, but now I'm in academia) are the ones who are polite, friendly, engaging and 'human'. They're the ones who diffuse tension, not escalate it. They avoid conflict, not cause it. But do so skilfully, always protecting their client :?

(Small point of order though - at least I wasn't advocating the 'Ragpicker Dexter Special' solution to problem neighbours....... :floor: )

 

[ragpicker]

Dear me, is it any wonder the country is in the state its in?

With people reaching for strongly worded consumer rights letters at the drop of a hat.

Sometimes the pragmatic approach works best. A simple phone call to the garage initially and see what they say. Alternatively just drain half a litre off. It'll take you 10 minutes and the problem will be solved and the lesson learnt - don't use them again.

What I'm saying is that whilst I agree with Cheshire911 and New996buyers principles, the propensity for consumers to immediately waste their own time with legal sounding letters and heavy handedness ultimately wastes your time and gets other peoples backs up.

Why would you want to waste another day out of your life writing a letter, waiting for a low loader, waiting for the garage to do their job, picking your car up etc etc. 10 minutes with a socket set and the job is done.

Maybe its just me
:dont know:

:floor:
Hey dude, no it's not just you. Think we're in violent agreement. Absolutely agree that reasonableness is the order of the day and let's hope it works just fine :thumb:

Only pointing out to the OP that this sort of oversight could have left him in a real pickle and was quite a serious one. It's also good to appreciate your rights in these situations. The garage may be fine about it and pragmatism hopefully rules the day. Jackpot! :grin:

But being well informed I'm sure is never a bad thing. If it was a brake issue the level of oversight would be more 'felt' and 'real'. Oil overfill can feel minor, though as pointed out here, it's really really not

Mind you I'm curious why reference to knowing the law is assumed to mean conflict, letters, litigation and 'heavy handedness'!?! The best lawyers I know (yup I was a lawyer so I know quite a few, but now I'm in academia) are the ones who are polite, friendly, engaging and 'human'. They're the ones who diffuse tension, not escalate it. They avoid conflict, not cause it. But do so skilfully, always protecting their client :?

(Small point of order though - at least I wasn't advocating the 'Ragpicker Dexter Special' solution to problem neighbours....... :floor: )

:floor:

Indeed! I'm 100% with you here chap!

As a humble layman when it comes to matters of the law, and having some insight into the perception of my own profession, it is often found that members of the law profession have little appreciation as to how their involvement comes across.

Whilst I'm sure that to someone quoting the law (+/- letters/representation) is seen as run of the mill, to others it may feel over the top and, well, heavy handed.

I'm not having a go dude, just explaining how it might feel to someone who might happily do the right thing with a simple phone call, but would close up and be defensive if broached by someone who 'knows the law' as it implies an aggressive undertone.

As you know only too well, how things actually are is often in stark contrast to how they feel or how they are perceived. Sometimes its useful to have these things brought into congnisence.

And thats far too many big words for me on a Saturday morning. I'm off to pick my car up now after its had its new blowers put on!!! Whooop!

 

[melodasi]

No I will not drain the the oil.
Just had a phone call today and they will tow the car on Monday and do what needs to be done.
The garage is not Porsche specialist, but I have used them before and they work well, probably to touch my car had a bad day or something.

Cheers

 

[Chris_in_the_UK]

Thanks I will try to drain it tomorrow and see how it goes.

Followed by

No I will not drain the the oil.

???

You ask for advice and then do a U turn which TBH will be more hassle and angst than doing it yourself? :dont know:

 

[New997buyer]

No I will not drain the the oil.
Just had a phone call today and they will tow the car on Monday and do what needs to be done.
The garage is not Porsche specialist, but I have used them before and they work well, probably to touch my car had a bad day or something.

Cheers

Hey as long as you're happy and it's all sorted that's what it's abou IMHO :thumb:

And I'll now be able to answer the questions :
'Why is overfilling a 996 turbo actually bad?'
Ans - lots of very scary reasons (see above)
'What does Ragpicker do on a Saturday morning'
Ans - check the forum and pick up the latest 'addition' to his RagMax 996 turbo missile :worship: