My first post in 8 or so years since selling an x50 turbo and the missus 986S.
Sold up due to a move overseas to Vancouver BC for her work, have been here ever since.
After a few initial months of arriving without Pork in our lives we get into a 993 C4 cab for me and a 987S for her, the 987 was later traded for a Cayenne turbo which was then traded in for RR sport supercharged. A move of apartment buildings with limited parking forced me to sell the 993 a few yrs on, made $25k on what I'd paid which was a first for me and cars. Another move and the underground parking was plentiful and although the Range was fast and comfy and brilliant on snow tires I was really yearning for something more involving, so traded RR sport for a 2014 Nissan GT-R black series.
Loved it, great car and on par with the 996 turbo x50 with regards performance. Missus wanted something older to park up at work all day where spaces were tight and after a week of her commuting in the Nissan we picked up a pin dent on the rear quarter courtesy of a fellow car park user.. that seals it, too nice for daily commute.
We found a nice little 2006 Slk55 amg in white with only 16000 miles from new for a great price offa private seller. Both cars were amazing and we ran them for a couple of years...Until. I spotted a Nismo GTR in pearl white and as i was enjoying the standard car so much did a deal and traded up .. the Nismo is EPIC
Last year around Xmas the City had a fair bit of snow and the Slk55 with all season tires was dangerous on the road, I had to rescue the missus after she got stranded and run her to and fro work in our minivan on snow tires for a couple of weeks,
So recently the hunt started for another Porsche for her to commute in and us to use at weekends, the Nismo is low miles and I don't want to pile too many miles on, I loved the power of the little Amg but always felt like a hairdresser in it
So, she doesn't like 996 interiors any more, can't afford a 997 turbo or most of the 997.2s that are floating about here on the west coast, fancies a 4 wheel drive for the snow but needs automatic for her commute in traffic
997.1 C4S tiptronic Cab is what we start hunting for, typically we see no C4S at all with a tip after months and months of searching.
All of a sudden a C2S cab tip 997.1 2005 appears online, we figure with a set of winter tires she'll be ok without 4 wheel drive and begin to enquire with selling dealership, the price is good in comparison to asking prices here in Vancouver and so after plenty of pics and videos being supplied we go check the car out, salesman is great and very chilled
Gives us the car for 2 hours alone and off we go on a test run
I can feel it needs the usual suspension refresh, but all gauges say the right things and a cold start at the dealership that I requested showed zero smoke on startup.. engine pulls nice and the car is extremely well optioned.
Return to dealership and leave on the basis that we'd think about it overnight and do some digging and perhaps leave a deposit over the phone based on checks on the vehicle. Very very rarely here in North America it seems does anybody keep receipts, stamp service books or keep records etc, you do a Carfax and that's it.
There was one computer print out list of work the car had had done left in the glovebox by the previous owner who had traded in the 997.
The car has had a lot of work according to what I can see
Most namely new cylinder sleeves x6, pistons, bearings, lifters.. etc
The garage named beside the work was a garage I'd heard of, a pretty reputable Indy Porsche outfit, seems the car had a rebuild in 2015
So I call the garage and the owner although a little vague remembers the car had a failed radiator and went in to Porsche who replaced the rad and later did lifters as the engine was ticking, turns out as you can probably guess, the engine had bore score due to overheating. So this Indy then said he went through the engine and did a full steel liner rebuild but can't provide invoice details due to data protection etc, assures me In a condescending manner that borescore would never be an issue going forward with these liners.
I'm feeling quite good about this news, so hash out a deal with the selling dealership based on a full compression test and bore scope at the local Porsche dealership at my cost, a few days later car goes in to Porsche Centre and I get a phone call telling me that all is good with compression, less than 10 percent across all 6 cylinders and also that the bore scope was fine, just 2 very fine lines in cylinder 1 that had to be super magnified to see and that looked like honing marks, they also noted the engine had been re sleeved which corroborated with my paperwork and the call to the Indy garage who did the work. I was then asked whether I wanted a new set of plugs put back in as it made sense whilst the old were already out, and that also plugs 1 and 3 were oil fouled although this was normal if they had not been changed for 3 or 4 years, I agreed and asked, "so it's all good then engine wise? " Yes it's a good one, enjoy it was the Porsche service managers reply
Had Porsche then do a brake fluid flush and an oil service. picked the car up a few days later and headed back to Vancouver, took a long route covering around 190 odd miles home to give the car a good run, the car ran well apart from a brief flash and beep from the engine management light, on for maybe 3 secs and never returned.
Get home park up and stand around checking alls well and nothing's hanging off when I notice black soot around the bumper and 123 bank exhaust is looking very sooty.. here we go 😟. I Wait an hr or so and check oil level on dash to find car is at minimum after having an oil service less than 200 miles ago, it swallows just under a litre to get back to full line so that's 1 litre of oil consumed in under 200 miles and black soot all over the rear right tailpipes, great .
Immediately get on to the selling dealer via email, it's agreed we will not drive the car until I get it checked out by a local specialist of which there are a few in Vancouver, soonest appointment I can get is for Mon 16 Nov, 9 days time. So left her parked up for over a week and this Monday just passed I fired her up for the 2 km drive to the local specialist. Huge plume of grey smoke out of sooty tailpipe and splatters of oil on parkade floor, drove her in and they pulled bank 1 plugs to find 1 and 3 heavily oil fouled and excessive scoring all the way around cylinder 3 😳 Pics supplied to me..
So currently im waiting for the selling dealer to collect the car and take it back on a flatbed to Porsche to check for what they didn't see 200 miles ago.
From the pics I've supplied to them of the borescope of cylinder 3 they're saying it doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary for a car of this age and mileage but will have Porsche do a leakdown test and investigate further
I've stated I want a refund or repair but doubt they'll repair properly as I've heard ball park figures of $25-28k, that's 90 percent what I paid for the car.
So we may be back on the forum in a 997 depending on outcomes.. but I'm convinced the engines is toast
I'm sure this post is way too long but it's been a busy return to Porsche
On the upside, I've already fallen in love with the drive of the 997 and even enjoyed the tiptronic experience
I will update as I move forward for anyone interested
Until next time
Soin
Sold up due to a move overseas to Vancouver BC for her work, have been here ever since.
After a few initial months of arriving without Pork in our lives we get into a 993 C4 cab for me and a 987S for her, the 987 was later traded for a Cayenne turbo which was then traded in for RR sport supercharged. A move of apartment buildings with limited parking forced me to sell the 993 a few yrs on, made $25k on what I'd paid which was a first for me and cars. Another move and the underground parking was plentiful and although the Range was fast and comfy and brilliant on snow tires I was really yearning for something more involving, so traded RR sport for a 2014 Nissan GT-R black series.
Loved it, great car and on par with the 996 turbo x50 with regards performance. Missus wanted something older to park up at work all day where spaces were tight and after a week of her commuting in the Nissan we picked up a pin dent on the rear quarter courtesy of a fellow car park user.. that seals it, too nice for daily commute.
We found a nice little 2006 Slk55 amg in white with only 16000 miles from new for a great price offa private seller. Both cars were amazing and we ran them for a couple of years...Until. I spotted a Nismo GTR in pearl white and as i was enjoying the standard car so much did a deal and traded up .. the Nismo is EPIC
Last year around Xmas the City had a fair bit of snow and the Slk55 with all season tires was dangerous on the road, I had to rescue the missus after she got stranded and run her to and fro work in our minivan on snow tires for a couple of weeks,
So recently the hunt started for another Porsche for her to commute in and us to use at weekends, the Nismo is low miles and I don't want to pile too many miles on, I loved the power of the little Amg but always felt like a hairdresser in it
So, she doesn't like 996 interiors any more, can't afford a 997 turbo or most of the 997.2s that are floating about here on the west coast, fancies a 4 wheel drive for the snow but needs automatic for her commute in traffic
997.1 C4S tiptronic Cab is what we start hunting for, typically we see no C4S at all with a tip after months and months of searching.
All of a sudden a C2S cab tip 997.1 2005 appears online, we figure with a set of winter tires she'll be ok without 4 wheel drive and begin to enquire with selling dealership, the price is good in comparison to asking prices here in Vancouver and so after plenty of pics and videos being supplied we go check the car out, salesman is great and very chilled
Gives us the car for 2 hours alone and off we go on a test run
I can feel it needs the usual suspension refresh, but all gauges say the right things and a cold start at the dealership that I requested showed zero smoke on startup.. engine pulls nice and the car is extremely well optioned.
Return to dealership and leave on the basis that we'd think about it overnight and do some digging and perhaps leave a deposit over the phone based on checks on the vehicle. Very very rarely here in North America it seems does anybody keep receipts, stamp service books or keep records etc, you do a Carfax and that's it.
There was one computer print out list of work the car had had done left in the glovebox by the previous owner who had traded in the 997.
The car has had a lot of work according to what I can see
Most namely new cylinder sleeves x6, pistons, bearings, lifters.. etc
The garage named beside the work was a garage I'd heard of, a pretty reputable Indy Porsche outfit, seems the car had a rebuild in 2015
So I call the garage and the owner although a little vague remembers the car had a failed radiator and went in to Porsche who replaced the rad and later did lifters as the engine was ticking, turns out as you can probably guess, the engine had bore score due to overheating. So this Indy then said he went through the engine and did a full steel liner rebuild but can't provide invoice details due to data protection etc, assures me In a condescending manner that borescore would never be an issue going forward with these liners.
I'm feeling quite good about this news, so hash out a deal with the selling dealership based on a full compression test and bore scope at the local Porsche dealership at my cost, a few days later car goes in to Porsche Centre and I get a phone call telling me that all is good with compression, less than 10 percent across all 6 cylinders and also that the bore scope was fine, just 2 very fine lines in cylinder 1 that had to be super magnified to see and that looked like honing marks, they also noted the engine had been re sleeved which corroborated with my paperwork and the call to the Indy garage who did the work. I was then asked whether I wanted a new set of plugs put back in as it made sense whilst the old were already out, and that also plugs 1 and 3 were oil fouled although this was normal if they had not been changed for 3 or 4 years, I agreed and asked, "so it's all good then engine wise? " Yes it's a good one, enjoy it was the Porsche service managers reply
Had Porsche then do a brake fluid flush and an oil service. picked the car up a few days later and headed back to Vancouver, took a long route covering around 190 odd miles home to give the car a good run, the car ran well apart from a brief flash and beep from the engine management light, on for maybe 3 secs and never returned.
Get home park up and stand around checking alls well and nothing's hanging off when I notice black soot around the bumper and 123 bank exhaust is looking very sooty.. here we go 😟. I Wait an hr or so and check oil level on dash to find car is at minimum after having an oil service less than 200 miles ago, it swallows just under a litre to get back to full line so that's 1 litre of oil consumed in under 200 miles and black soot all over the rear right tailpipes, great .
Immediately get on to the selling dealer via email, it's agreed we will not drive the car until I get it checked out by a local specialist of which there are a few in Vancouver, soonest appointment I can get is for Mon 16 Nov, 9 days time. So left her parked up for over a week and this Monday just passed I fired her up for the 2 km drive to the local specialist. Huge plume of grey smoke out of sooty tailpipe and splatters of oil on parkade floor, drove her in and they pulled bank 1 plugs to find 1 and 3 heavily oil fouled and excessive scoring all the way around cylinder 3 😳 Pics supplied to me..
So currently im waiting for the selling dealer to collect the car and take it back on a flatbed to Porsche to check for what they didn't see 200 miles ago.
From the pics I've supplied to them of the borescope of cylinder 3 they're saying it doesn't look like anything out of the ordinary for a car of this age and mileage but will have Porsche do a leakdown test and investigate further
I've stated I want a refund or repair but doubt they'll repair properly as I've heard ball park figures of $25-28k, that's 90 percent what I paid for the car.
So we may be back on the forum in a 997 depending on outcomes.. but I'm convinced the engines is toast
I'm sure this post is way too long but it's been a busy return to Porsche
On the upside, I've already fallen in love with the drive of the 997 and even enjoyed the tiptronic experience
I will update as I move forward for anyone interested
Until next time
Soin
