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Another newbie searching for a 991.1

C320

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Hi all, I'm new here I got very close to buying a 2019 Cayenne Turbo earlier this year. However the Porsche dealer was playing hard ball, one thing led to another and I decided to split what I was going to spend on that and bought my wife an XC90 for family duties and agreed that I could get my toy.

After considering Gen 2 997's, I've decided now is the time to scratch the 911 itch and get my first Porsche - hopefully with a 991.1

Ideally looking for a C4S as I love the slightly wider look and want the additional power of the 3.8 over the 'base' Carerra.

Done lots of research, watched hours and hours of YouTube reviews and have purchased Adrian Streather's 991 Buying guide.

Based in South Bucks so have quite a few decent Porsche specialist dealers in very close Proximity (Ashgood, 911 Virgin, RSJ Sportcars, MR Sportscars, HWM, Portiacraft etc).

Ideally looking for a car with Porsche Warranty that I could then extend but also aware that it can be added after an 111 point check.

Budget wise, I've been looking at circa £60-£65k (although I started looking at Carrera S's for £50-55k.

Spec wise, looking for a C4S with:

Glass Roof
Chrono Pack
PSE
14 way seats

I understand PSE can be retrofitted by a Porsche dealer so that's always an option too. Anything else I need to consider?

Being in my late 40's the Insurance quote also came in much less that I thought too so that's a bonus.
 
The 991.1 is an excellent choice - though I'm biased :)

Specification is always such a personal thing, so it's totally your choice but FWIW from my own experience:
*Glass roof: Some will argue that it places the weight too high for a sportscar and raises the CofG - all true but cobblers for a predominantly road oriented car. So enjoy the sunshine whenever you want and don't worry about it. The internal blind helps keep the sun off and makes it feel like a solid roofed car but the fact the roof sweeps up on top, makes the opening much larger than early 911s.

*Chrono Pack: Is useful for resale and personally I like the clock on the dash but I'm not sure how often I've seen it as a tangible benefit, in terms of the technical additions that it offers - maybe in extremis on the track but not so much on the road.

*PSE: Definitely worth it, for the grin-inducing experience alone, whether it comes with it, or you have it retrofitted.

*14 Way Seats (with memory): For me personally, this was a massive box ticked when I found my own car. They are so comfortable, that I can drive for hours (indeed to Scotland and back) and I have spinal issues, so comfort is a pre-requisite. The overall adjustability, lumbar support and ability to retain my own settings is a boon. Finding a car with them though, was another matter, as a lot of 991s were specced from the factory with the basic 4 way manual seats, because most owners favoured spending their money elsewhere. My advice is, if you need them then hold out for them (or the 18 way), if not then they're a nice bonus but not a deal breaker, as for the vast majority of the populace, Porsche's basic seats are very well designed. If you haven't already then go try the standard, 14 and 18 way seats, for a while on a test drive and just see how you feel.

Anything else is personal choice and I know some will disagree with my view:
*Bose is of debatable benefit, when the ambient tyre roar is so prevalent.

*PDCC isn't for me, though technically amazing, I like to feel the weight transition and the tyres load up.

*PCCB are incredible but you have to hope they never get chipped due to stray stones, or service damage, as they're a fortune to replace. Surface Transforms discs would be a better option (and can be resurfaced), if you really wanted carbon ceramic.

Sounds like you've done your homework in terms of what to look out for and have a reasonable budget for a 2012/2014 car, though you may need to stretch a bit further, if you want a low mileage example (less than 30k) but we've just been discussing the merits of higher mileage cars recently and provided it's been properly serviced and cared for, one with a higher mileage could make a very sensible purchase - especially if you intend to use it as a second vehicle, or for weekends/holidays and won't be adding significantly to the mileage.

Most folks in the UK, only cover 3-4,000 a year in their 991s but those that were leased at the start of their life, may have been used daily and show evidence, both in mileage and general condition. With mileage in mind, scuffs to the plastic door entry guards and upper seat side bolster are a good indicator of how a car has been cared for (or not) but the former can be cheaply replaced and the latter connolised, provided everything else is ok.

I would suggest looking for a 2013 onward model as they had a few tweaks over the earliest cars and I feel production had gotten into its stride by then.

As always, condition, maintenance history and spec are the primary considerations and as I said earlier, a higher mileage 991 could be the right one, subject to it meeting the other requirements.

Most 911s tend to pick up stone chips to the front bumper & bonnet, but with its wider rear arches, the 4/4S models are susceptible to them in front of the rear arches, so look there too. A good OPC should be willing to respray the front (to Porsche standards) and attend to any chips on the arches, as part of the supply, but an independent may not - depending on what margin they have in the car. Some of us have fitted PPF to protect those areas, whilst others feel that's an unnecessary expense and prefer to just touch-up and respray when needed.

The Porsche extended warranty, is certainly a good idea for peace of mind and unless you can dedicate a slush fund, is probably worth keeping from then on: Big ticket items like engine/box are very expensive, in the unlikely event that they let go but being complex vehicles, there can occasionally be times when parts are fitted just 'to see'. As with all vehicles, some garages have talented Technicians (we are fortunate to have our own here - DeMort) but whilst some are very good Techs, not everyone is as skilled in the art of diagnosing complex issues.

That said, the 991 has been exceptionally reliable overall and save for a few niggles with rattles on early cars, quality of fasteners (rusty) and occasional 'minor' problems with the vacuum controlled COV valves (of which a lot more is known about now), Variocam valve lift solenoid faults, blocked sill-drain grommets, alarm/VTS and early heater fan faults - most of which will have been attended to along the way, there haven't really been any major problems, so reliability shouldn't be any more a cause for concern, than any other vehicle.

Good cars don't hang about, so be prepared to move quickly to view/place a holding deposit, then assess it and get it checked with a Porsche 111 point check (if at an independent). I physically viewed about 10 cars (C2S & C4S) over the space of 6 months, before finding my own beauty but you might happen on the 'right one' tomorrow.

Hope that's been some help and good luck with your search :thumb:
 
Just my opinion, as have had both 4S and 2S. If using as a daily all year round, maybe a case for the 4S on a slimy motorway in the middle of winter where the 4-wheel drive is noticeable from a security point of view. Car a bit wider at the rear end, but other than that, the 2S is just as good to drive, if not better, depending on the specific road conditions.

For a 4S, maybe worth a look ......

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-0Z336E

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-ZGGG0E

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-VDDPZE
 
Good luck with your search but I would scratch HWM off your list of sellers :grin:
 
DRZ911 said:
Just my opinion, as have had both 4S and 2S. If using as a daily all year round, maybe a case for the 4S on a slimy motorway in the middle of winter where the 4-wheel drive is noticeable from a security point of view. Car a bit wider at the rear end, but other than that, the 2S is just as good to drive, if not better, depending on the specific road conditions.

For a 4S, maybe worth a look ......

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-0Z336E

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-ZGGG0E

https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en-GB/details/porsche-911-carrera-4s-coupe-preowned-VDDPZE

OPC prices seem to have softened quite a bit on 991s :dont know:
 
jonttt said:
Good luck with your search but I would scratch HWM off your list of sellers :grin:

Ah thanks, I seem to recall reading an issue about one of the North London specialists, (something about selling a sale or return car and not being forthcoming with passing the proceeds on or something of that ilk)

I could be wrong but I'll do a bit more digging!
 
911Time said:
The 991.1 is an excellent choice - though I'm biased :)

Good cars don't hang about, so be prepared to move quickly to view/place a holding deposit, then assess it and get it checked with a Porsche 111 point check (if at an independent). I physically viewed about 10 cars (C2S & C4S) over the space of 6 months, before finding my own beauty but you might happen on the 'right one' tomorrow.

Hope that's been some help and good luck with your search :thumb:

Thanks for such a comprehensive response @911Time

Yes, ideally looking for a car with 40-50k in it but overall condition and spec is more important. We have a number of other cars at home so when the 911 when it arrives will be more of a weekend / holiday car. I'm sure I'll use it at any opportunity or take the long route home when popping out to get some milk too!

My kids are 15 and 12 (and the 15 year old is quite tall!) so it's highly unlikely to be used 4 up!
 
Thanks for the heads up re HWM!

Just read the threads in here about them, wow!!!

They've been around a long time, really interesting read.
 
C320, welcome to the forum, I hope you find enough information to make the correct Porsche for YOU .

like you spent a lot of time researching before thinking to splash the cash, and I typed up rather a lot on my thinking prior, during and after my Porsche acquisition on this forum, in a bid to share the experience with all those who patiently guided me along the way in the two or so years it took me to update my out of date Porsche awareness.

I did not set out to buy a C4S, but that is where I ended up and bought it without having seen it in the metal, other than via video.. Covid played it`s part in creating that situation, additionally I had not even driven a modern 911 before deciding to jump back in..!!! As for the actual spec of 911, I was not really all that fussy on minor details. Having watched numerous vids my ideal would have been a blue 991.1 C4 GTS, with black interior, part of that decision making process was down to Henry Catchpole`s EVO vid on the C4S, which I imagine you will perhaps have watched more than once...(-: Link below.

https://youtu.be/DMklzHtHGwc

For sure as expected, Henry earns his coin spouting all the usual autojourno flair relative to enthusing about all he drives, but he seemed to enjoy his time with the C4S, at which point the hook was kinda set for me, given the huge variety of cars he has driven over the years, and using his obvious driving skills demonstrated more than well enough that the C4S could provide all I could hope for in a Porsche by way of power handling and looks... I did not need to test drive numerous variations to find the spec that suited me best, and there was little or no opportunity to do so living in an area of the country where the number of Porsches for sale can be few and far between.... It took me a while, but glad I got there in the end..

Good luck in your search.. :thumb:
 
C320 said:
Thanks for such a comprehensive response @911Time

You're welcome :thumb:


C320 said:
I'm sure I'll use it at any opportunity or take the long route home when popping out to get some milk too!

Ha, ha - yeah those 2 hour trips for milk, are legendary! :lol: :lol:
 
Luddite said:
C320, welcome to the forum, I hope you find enough information to make the correct Porsche for YOU .

Henry Catchpole`s EVO vid on the C4S, which I imagine you will perhaps have watched more than once...(-: Link below.

https://youtu.be/DMklzHtHGwc

Good luck in your search.. :thumb:

Thanks for the warm welcome @Luddite, yes I've seen that one many times and like you I credit that video review for having a big bearing on why I started looking at the C4S too!

Love the look of the C4S with the slightly wider rear and the light strip harking back to the reflective strip from the air cooled late '80s 911s that I lusted after when at primary school!
 
OP - with your criteria including wide body and PSE, plus a generous budget available then you should have a look at the GTS.

Admittedly you will have to increase your budget slightly, but it seems that the GTS would be a good fit for you.

PS - I have one, it's awesome, you won't regret it :thumb:
 
jpsh120 said:
OP - with your criteria including wide body and PSE, plus a generous budget available then you should have a look at the GTS.

I smell some serious scope creep! :eek:

However, I have to agree! Plus you have the cache of them being produced in much lower numbers, which should help come re-sale :dont know:

Just don't try and buy the one I am looking at! :wack:
 
jpsh120 said:
OP - with your criteria including wide body and PSE, plus a generous budget available then you should have a look at the GTS.

Admittedly you will have to increase your budget slightly, but it seems that the GTS would be a good fit for you.

PS - I have one, it's awesome, you won't regret it :thumb:

Funny you say that, scope creep and budget creep (aka man maths) is something I succumb to ;)

Yes, I've looked online at some GTS's and can really see the appeal, the exclusivity / rarity is definitely helpful.

Have also looked at the Targa 4S and flirt with the idea of the Turbo (why not!) - however I'm trying to be sensible budget wise. Also need something to upgrade to in a few years time too eh?
 
TonyC911 said:
jpsh120 said:
OP - with your criteria including wide body and PSE, plus a generous budget available then you should have a look at the GTS.

I smell some serious scope creep! :eek:

However, I have to agree! Plus you have the cache of them being produced in much lower numbers, which should help come re-sale :dont know:

Just don't try and buy the one I am looking at! :wack:

Well let's be honest, scope & budget creep are 'de rigueur' on here 🙂

In addition to the benefits already mentioned, let's not forget the bhp increase over the Carrera S. What's that, do I hear someone running to buy a GTS..... :grin:
 

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