Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2670 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 12:57 pm Post subject: 964 Project - 'The Red Baron!'
Well as some of you good people know, I purchased 'The Red Baron' just before Christmas. PeterS and I had a whizz around Oulton Park and managed to spin at the end of the main straight. This lead to us questioning the brakes (ABS pump, sensors etc..). I decided to start by cleaning up sensors and various earthing points in the luggage compartment. So to get started I thought give under the arches a good clean so I could see what I was doing...
After a few hours getting soaked, I was staring to get somewhere.
Some tyre rubbing but it is lower than a snakes belly!
Cleaned all the ABS sensors and that's when it started to get out of hand.
You see, when I reconnected the battery I had an alarm screaming at me from somewhere in the scuttle area. This would be fine if I had a remote control to disarm it well cutting to the chase I have now removed from the wiring loom 4 separate alarm systems! I guess as each broke an new one was installed leaving the old one too it's own devises...
So I ordered the correct loom tape from Germany and basically spent a month re soldering and replacing quite a large part of the loom. To do this meant taking out the Roll Cage, seats, carpet and a lot of the dash.
Now whilst I was at it I thought maybe I could get the trim modified to remove all the seat belt exits from the rear parcel shelf and rear quarter panels (More of this later).......
Anyway, we were looking at the brakes but got somewhat side tracked Well the calipers took some time to identify as the faces had been machined off (I guess to make them look more modern). After some considerable effort (Thanks to Boxey, Thomas from Porsche Calipers and a few others on Rennlist) they are now identified as C2 fronts with 993 C4 rears. Anyway I digress...
I removed the said calipers and spent nine hours removing the pad plates!
And bleed nips!
I ended up with a rag tag collection of brakes to go over to the blasters.
Popped them over to a good friend of mine who lives for painting
So onto the back plates, handbrake shoes and cables.
The damage from the track spin was next. The front jacking point had been smashed clean off and was embedded into the side skirt. So let's get the welding kit out.
Now fixed and in top coat.
Next was to paint the rear arch which had been rubbed by the tyre during the 'Off'
Then I noticed that the oil thermastat was looking very cruddy.
Now the more I looked the more I saw, so oil tank out
Fortunately no rot behind. So onto removing the crud and paint from the tank.
Right, this as far as I have got at the moment, I have ordered two of the biggest spanners to remove the oil pipes (32 & 36mm Zombie Bashers). If they turn up for the weekend I will be crossing my fingers that I can remove the corroded pipework (They are as rusty as Sponge Bob's door knocker!) and remove the front oil rad as it looks like it's took a bash in the spin. I don't mean to bore anyone, I know a few of the guy's on here are doing something similar, but a few people have wandered where I've been. I will carry on adding to this thread if there is interest. If not I'll carry on quietly bashing at the Barron.
Last edited by Chief on Sat May 18, 2013 6:46 pm; edited 2 times in total
Vic Montreal
Joined: 03 Jun 2003 Posts: 608 Location: Surrey
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:05 pm Post subject:
Keep posting Chief
It's great to see this kind of work being done. If the weather ever improves, I might even tackle mine
Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12575 Location: Cheshire
Chief - Keep going Some areas of work for me to do as well. The nuts on the oil thermostat must be shite as mine are as rusty as the hinge on Pete's wallet I will be replacing those parts as well.
I suspect the spin may be the extra weight of 4 x alarms not being evenly distributed has thrown the car out of balance
What the heck did the jack point run into _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
apw2007 Zolder
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 5800 Location: Surrey
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 4:12 pm Post subject:
It's a slippery slope but at some point it needs doing!
SausageCreature Barcelona
Joined: 10 Jul 2011 Posts: 1477
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 5:40 pm Post subject:
Nice, but begs the question "Do you have too much time on your hands?"
Mark
Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12575 Location: Cheshire
BTW - Lose the silencer and fit a G-Pipe. You must have the quiestest car on track _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
sparky1pq Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 16 Jul 2011 Posts: 291 Location: North West
Excellent thread, keep posting. _________________ 993 C4 - Polar Silver
BMW 5 Series - Unwashed
sjl178 Monza
Joined: 18 Dec 2009 Posts: 231 Location: Melton Mowbray
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:09 pm Post subject:
Absolutely brilliant work so far please do keep the reports and pics coming. _________________ Current:
Porsche 993 carrera 4, vesuvius
Previous - gone but not forgotten
Porsche 911sc, Audi S3 mk1, VW's Corrado G60, GTI mk1 '77, GTI mk2, GTI mk2 16v
Waz Estoril
Joined: 14 May 2011 Posts: 3503 Location: Sutton coldfield
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject:
I know it's a 964(yawn) having seen it in the flesh so to speak it is quite interesting keep up the good work in you heated decorated garage _________________ May the Forsche be with you
2004 3.6 996 C4S cab in The fast black
Cayenne turbo S in matching black 600bhp
Chief Magny-Cours
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2670 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:06 pm Post subject:
Thanks for the encouragement guys. I will post more as soon as I've made progress.
Sausage wrote:
Nice, but begs the question "Do you have too much time on your hands?"
Mark
Mark, you are properly right!
Chief Magny-Cours
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2670 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:07 pm Post subject:
Zingari wrote:
You could ask Pete's mechanic to get on with it
BTW - Lose the silencer and fit a G-Pipe. You must have the quiestest car on track
Brilliant Brian, as always mate.....poor old Pete
Re the exhaust, it's de catted and the box across the back has gone.
It's running at 106db !!
Porsche964FP Donuts For Windows
Joined: 21 Jan 2011 Posts: 92
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:12 pm Post subject:
Great work - well done.
KP964 Watkins Glen
Joined: 20 Feb 2012 Posts: 2239 Location: Northumberland
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 9:15 pm Post subject:
I was going to put up a similar thread but it seemed a bit pointless as i was only removing my air filter .
Nice job Chief , mine is under investigation at the docs at the moment . _________________ Stone Grey Metallic 964 C4
Guards Red 964 C4 sold
Porsche News Motoring Editor
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 7015
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:17 pm Post subject:
Chief wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement guys. I will post more as soon as I've made progress.
Sausage wrote:
Nice, but begs the question "Do you have too much time on your hands?"
Great thread, but doesn't start to do any justice to all the work and hours Chief is putting into this.
His story is only scratching the surface.
This car is going to be the dogs wotsits.
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Chief Magny-Cours
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2670 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:54 am Post subject:
Porsche964FP wrote:
Great work - well done.
High praise indeed Frank coming from the creator of BB thank you. I have followed your various threads on Rennlist. Much respect due. I just hope I can get in the same ball park
Everyone else, thanks for the encouragement, and Pete is over egging the cake a bit (but thanks old pal) It's not a case of the satisfaction in doing a job yourself, honestly. It is a case of Porsche being robbing you know what's I have to have a crack at it to save some squeelers!
The trim does look fab, if I say so myself. I hope when it's in I can get some pics that do it justice. The RS door cards are a thing of beauty. Trying to get across to the trimmer that I wanted grainy leatherette that matched the door caps was fun. He couldn't understand why I wanted it to look '90's' and not have sooooper smooth modern leather to hide it's age.
Still lots to do, and the pace really is dictated by how many times I have to heat everything to get stuff off the car.
Again, thank you all for the encouragement and I hope to do this classic shaped beauty justice.....Stay tuned 'The Baron'
PeterS Fuji
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 9260 Location: Solihull
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: North Yorks.
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:46 pm Post subject:
Excellent work
Keep the pics coming.
Good luck,
Paul _________________ 1980 - 84 924 Turbo with mods. (ex Tony Dron - 12th at Le Mans 1980 with works 924 Carrera Turbo).
1984 - 89 911 SC (1982)
1989 - 93 911 Carrera Sport (1989)
2010 - 964 Carrera 2 (1990) Redtek 3.8RSR
2012 - 14 Porsche Cayenne (2012)
2015 - 17 Porsche Cayenne Diesel S (2015)
2017 - 18 Macan Turbo Performance Package (2017)
2018 - 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS (2018)
Tim Richardson Hockenheim
Joined: 30 Jan 2007 Posts: 646 Location: Surrey
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject:
another 964 getting the treatment...top stuff _________________
Ex 1997 993 C2 Varioram Ocean Blue
Now 1991 964 C2 Guards Red
Aircooled addict!
Chief Magny-Cours
Joined: 16 Sep 2010 Posts: 2670 Location: The Middle lands
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject:
Ok fellas, today has been a bit of a slow one...
Lot's of chores around the house to do so i've only done a little bit.
I started by removing the top tube from the oil tank. This is the one that the dip stick lives in. Again the use of heat the only way to remove nuts that have been sat there for 23 years. Also there was the bottom bracket to remove the captive nut from.
Then it was time to move onto the thremastat and clean it up to stand a chance of attacking that monster nut
Now the frightening thing I noticed was when I twisted the bottom rubber hoses around to have a look. One has a split along it's entire length
Good job I caught that one before it let go!
So then onto the oil radiator. This as you can see is an oily mess
Now I think the culprits here are the top fittings. I can rotate the pipes around on their metal pipe ends. This I don't think is how it should be. I guess the rubber has gone hard and under pressure are misting the oil over the rad.
You can clearly see the pipe ends are covered with oil....
So I have been spraying the rad on and off all day with Gunk to try and clean everything up a bit to be able to work on it.
So that is pretty much it for today. I did manage to clean the 996 though.
So lastly I have just found a couple more photo's of the brake rebuild
Blasted and ready for paint
I shall try and get at least some of the Pistons and seals in tomorrow.
Well that's me for now. I hope you are finding all this entertaining
The Red Baron will rise again.....
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well cutting to the chase I have now removed from the wiring loom 4 separate alarm systems! I guess as each broke an new one was installed leaving the old one too it's own devises...
Well the calipers took some time to identify as the faces had been machined off (I guess to make them look more modern). After some considerable effort (Thanks to Boxey, Thomas from Porsche Calipers and a few others on Rennlist) they are now identified as C2 fronts with 993 C4 rears. Anyway I digress...
I will be replacing those parts as well.
