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Bieldside
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 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:56 pm Post subject: 930 Turbo - does this iconic Porsche have to be red!!
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Having decided to go back in time to buy another Porsche I am thinking of a 993 Turbo or a late 1988/89 930 Turbo
But with the 930 Turbo I almost think that red is the only colour that really suits this iconic car.
Looking at various options and one is a beautiful silver cabriolet but I just hesitate . One its a cabriolet and two its not red
Does it have to be red - I think so
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elee
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 4S
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:29 am Post subject:
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if the cab is the one im thinking of, i think i could live with it not being red.
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wagonface
Barcelona
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1991 Porsche 964 Turbo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:34 am Post subject:
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I have a 964T in red, and totally understand what you mean. When buying the iconic yuppymobile, surely you have to get it in the iconic yuppycolour? Personally I think cars like this lend themselves to loud colours - guards red or tahoe blue for example. Black 964T's are desired due to the film bad boys, but personally black, dark blue etc just doesnt do it for me.
I know when I looked at a few that when I saw them in the flesh I just knew if the colour worked or not - dark blue was a definite no no, as was black. It didnt have to be red for me, but it had to be a colour that was fitting to the era.
Personally I think 930's also work in gold, and also in silver that was popular at the time.
Good luck in your search - the 930 is an awesome car.
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Dave49
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1989 Porsche 930 Turbo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:06 am Post subject:
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Red is nice but I have a 1989 930 in Grand Prix White with Burgundy leather interior. I think the white looks superb contrasting against the Fuchs wheels, the spoiler and bumpers. The only colour on the body are the rear lights cluster and rear reflective strip.
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kitesurfer
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Location: cornwall
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: 930 colours
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in the flesh, this colour, viper green metallic looks absolutely amazing. I used to have a minerva blue one and that also looks great.
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Dave49
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1989 Porsche 930 Turbo
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject:
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Let's face it, the 930 is such an icon it doesn't really matter what colour it is. Under the shell, be it red, white, silver, black or even green it is, in my opinion, the very best Porsche ever made if you want a car to drive. Treat it with respect and it will reward you with every thing you wish for from a car but disrespect it and it will be unforgiving and will bite back hard.
Depends if you want a car to drive and have enjoyment or just one to be seen in and then, and only then, does the colour really make a difference.
Red is fine. 
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Bieldside
Nürburgring
Joined: 23 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: 930 Turbo
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The 930 Turbo will be far far removed from the new 991 which is going to be a mini Panamera
I love Porsche as a sports car hence my move backwards to a 830 Turbo
Interesting comment made to me that a silver Turbo is more understated than a red one which is in your face . As a mature owner (but 21 at heart!!) then silver may be a better bet. Or is that defeatist talk
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wizard993
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1966 Singer Gazelle
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject:
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-930-Turbo-Project-/280740109708?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item415d6a1d8c
A good Indy can put the engine and gearbox back in and get it fired up for <£1,000. If it's within a couple of hundred miles approx £350 should get it back on a transporter.
Maybe worth a closer look/trip to inspect as good 930's are becoming sought after. If it's mileage is genuine you could have a great car for not a lot of money.
btw .......that colour is amazing/typical 930 period colour.
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kitesurfer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject:
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Chances are it will cost quite a bit more than a couple of grand to get that car up to cratch.
Engine will need new studs, top end rebuild at least plus oil cooler, exhaust, heat exchangers, plus any thing else "while your in there".
Body will require welding/panel replacement and a respray.etc etc..
My guess it would all soon add up to over £10k, maybe a lot more.
On the plus side, at the end you would have a lovely car in a rare colour!
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wizard993
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:24 pm Post subject:
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Thats impressive factual information from your armchair 
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kitesurfer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject:
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Ask anyone who has restored these cars, they will say the same.
I am on my 3rd 930 and twenty sixth 911, during that time spending many thousands on restoration.
Anyone naive enough to think £1k at an Indy will reassemble the engine alone is living in cloud cuckoo land, it was obviously taken apart for a reason.
Maybe that's why the the guy left for Australia!
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wizard993
Donnington
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1966 Singer Gazelle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject:
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Err nobody said the engine could be restored for a grand so at least get that fact right. Also, how do you actually know it needs a rebuild and welded/painted as the body looks rather good/about on par with most current £22 > £25k cars of that age?
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kitesurfer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:14 pm Post subject:
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You are right it looks typically similar to many cars for sale at over £20k bodywise, as many of these older cars have a bit of rust, not the end of the world, but often B pillar and other bits will need doing.
In particular on this car, from the photos rust has taken hold at least to the front wing which in itself will be difficult to match easily and may be the tip of an iceberg.
Going back to the engine ask around at any competent indy, engine reassembly without doing anything to an engine that it has been taken apart for a rebuild (by the advertisers own statement), is likely to require many parts and once examined will lead to considerable extra expense.
In any case, to follow up the OP, the moral of the story is; red, silver whatever colour, buy the best car you can. The best cars are either when you have paid for all the work yourself, or better still when someone else has done it properly.
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Bieldside
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:31 pm Post subject: 930 Turbo
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Thanks for the suggestion re restoration
Sadly time is not on my side to deal with such a project and I am unable to do anything myself so buying as good as I can find is my only option
Oddly my friend bought a low mileage Ferrari and was so fighterned of using it as that devauled it that he drove 2000 miles in 4 years
So the red one I have looked at at The Hairpin Co is probably not ideal plus its £60K+ for an 18000 mile Turbo LE . Looks great though!!
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elee
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:
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Think i no what your getting at Gord.Think you will look  in it. ill pop round and show you the motor to.
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kitesurfer
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| Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:42 pm Post subject:
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OP,you are right about some Ferrari drivers being too scared to drive their cars. This whole mileage thing can get ridiculous.
Porsches(And Ferraris) like being driven, so low mileage is no guarantee of a good car. Examine each one as it stands.
You already have a 993C4S and 996T which are both pretty bullet proof, the 930 is too, albeit a culture shock in raw old fashioned-ness!
993C4S looks better than 993T so why bother, if you already have 996Turbo?
A 930 would look and feel great in your stable, so full of character!
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Bieldside
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: 930 Turbo
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Yes , agree that I bypass a 993Turbo
A 930 Turbo is hardcore Porsche!
Kirk - look forward to seeing the 9934S , sounds a good one and well done on finding a low miler. Must be very few left
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Moonshine
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject:
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| wizard993 wrote: | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-930-Turbo-Project-/280740109708?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item415d6a1d8c
A good Indy can put the engine and gearbox back in and get it fired up for <£1,000. If it's within a couple of hundred miles approx £350 should get it back on a transporter.
Maybe worth a closer look/trip to inspect as good 930's are becoming sought after. If it's mileage is genuine you could have a great car for not a lot of money.
btw .......that colour is amazing/typical 930 period colour. |
That my friend is what's known as a money pit, if you think that your Indy can get that running for £1000 then buy it, trailer it to his place, drop the money into his hand, and wait for 20 minutes while the fits of laughter subside.
A big service with a couple of minor jobs found during it will cost you £1000.
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1988 930 Turbo Maritime Blue
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1990 964 Carrera 4 manual Slate Grey
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wizard993
Donnington
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1966 Singer Gazelle
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject:
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I did not say it could be mended for £1k but then again it could be all done and dusted for a lot less than £25k, which is what a decent one will cost you. Moreover, if you think that no 25+ year old 911 Turbos on the road currently for 25k wont be a money pit then that is silly.
With a car like this Id get it inspected before any judgement is made from an armchair. If the body and paint are sound and the engine can be made fully serviceable again for anything up to £6k, then do the maths.
Yes it could be pile of junk but if I lived within 150 miles and really wanted a 930 i would lift up the phone with a view to getting my ass over to inspect it as it's too easy just to assume it's a dog
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Moonshine
Barcelona
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| Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject:
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I'll give you a clue, I live in Newport. Anyway, you did say that an Indy could get the motor back in and up and running for £1000.
They couldn't.
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