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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Difference between 911 S and 911 Reply with quote

Hey guys am currently looking for a 911 and would like to know all the differences between the s model and the non s?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

would need to know which generation/year of 911 you are looking at ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry am referring to a 997 carrera 2 s
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thread moved into 997 Forum

obvious difference

Carrera S had 3.8 litre engine and 19" alloys v Carrera with 3.6 engine and 18" alloys

plus other items that were options on the Carrera but std on the S
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the S has
Bigger brakes from the 996 Turbo/ C4S

PASM or 20mm lowered suspension and LSD as a no cost option
litronic headlamps, Bi xenon
2 X twin exhaust tail pipes,
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And IMHO the S is a much better driving experience Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my "Superficial" hat on, I'd say you won't feel like the poor relative in the 'S', as I used to in the non-'S' Boxster days Embarassed

... although some people in these pages have commented that the non-S 18" wheels give a better ride. I can't comment on that, but I'm happy with the 19" ride. It migth pay you to try both and decide for yourself.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just traded an 08 C2 for an 09 C2S. The difference is quite pronounced, which of course may be related to the model year differences (which are many) but overall the C2S is more complete and not "missing" some things you may expect on a 911. Brakes, wheels, adjustable suspension etc..

Having said that the 08 C2 is a perfectly good car and if the deal on the new 09 C2S had not presented itself I'd probably still be in the C2.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a choice, go for the S!
In fact I dont understand why porsche make a non s?

I mean why would you go for a non s over an s - if you had the choice, and IMHO - not that much difference in price!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well it all depends.... In my case I have a C2 with almost all the specs of the S (minus larger breaks) so the only difference is the engine performance but again if you compare a manual C2 with a trip C2s then there is no difference on the contrary.
When I was looking I had the S as a priority but my primary aim was to find a good car.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may well be correct on the performance difference over a gen2 manual C2 over a Tip S, however I am willing to bet that it is easier and less strain on the mechanicals to reach real world performance in the tip than the manual on a day to day basis. I find the take off in my tip in auto mode to be instant and devastating by just flooring it, no rev rises before etc. I am sure this will be controversial Grin and I have nothing against manual, but they are getting to be overtaken by the slush shifters. We all know how mags get the figures for the data and I would not like to buy that car afterwards. Real world driving is completely different.

Go with what you feel comfortable in and dont worry about the 10th of a second here or their, all of them are fast machines.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I weighed up both, but couldn't justify the additional expense for the 'S', when I was never going to track it or feel I (personal decision!) would really benefit from the active suspension etc.. (fyi 4.5k less for similar spec 'S' model *edited: secondhand, of course*). Note that I did buy just before the arse fell out of the market, so the differences are probably less now...

As far as being a 'mere' Carrera 2, I wouldn't be put off. Reading some posts you'd think it was some kind of lemon, but in my experience it's a phenomonal sports car. Performance in the real world is near as no difference for the average mortal (ie me). Plus, I got to spend (but still only a third) of the saving a year later on the Porsche Sports Exhaust, for me much better than the additional 'S' toys, if I was to compare.

In response to a comment about the brakes on non-S model, they are absolutely fine on the road. Never had any reason to question them until I read a comment here!

You pays your money, takes your choice and all that!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still dont understand why Porsche bother with non-S - apart from cost saving - why bother.

Even though the 'S' may cost a little more, you get it back when you sell! And its probably more desirable.

If price really is an issue, you could go for a 996 or even a cayman?

I love my 'S' - and am glad that I didn't go for the non-S - for the sake of a few pounds - knowng that I can resell easier!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aynit911 wrote:
I still dont understand why Porsche bother with non-S - apart from cost saving - why bother.

Even though the 'S' may cost a little more, you get it back when you sell! And its probably more desirable.

If price really is an issue, you could go for a 996 or even a cayman?

I love my 'S' - and am glad that I didn't go for the non-S - for the sake of a few pounds - knowng that I can resell easier!


On that argument, why aren't you driving around in a Turbo? - or a 996TT if money is tight... Wink

My point above on the 'S' is that, for me, the extra spec was not worth it to me, thus why would I? If 4k is no dice to you (think 4 years insurance and a complete set of tyres), then pm me, I'll send you my address Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The extra 4k - if put on finance - and most are, then it equates to about £30 per month (bearing in mind higher residual values at the end)!

I wanted a 997, not a 996 TT - but good shout. The 997 turbo was just that bit too much! Even on finance!

I still dont get why they bother making a non - S!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the latest 997.2 models the differences are minimal.
For example the 997.2 PDK non S is as quick as the manual S in terms of acceleration times. Even when they both have PDK + Chrono, the S is only 2/10ths of a second quicker (4.3 to 4.5 for a 0-100kph sprint).

Also the brakes are now virtually identical.

Little known fact, with regard to the current 997.2 model, in the UK the non S is actually lighter than the S because Porsche use the lighter aluminium doors from the Turbo for the UK spec models to help keep CO2 emmisions at 225g (less weight is another reason why they are so close in performance). Plus the difference in engine size has narrowed to only 186cc)

The 997.2 non S model is the lightest car Porsche offers after the GT3 which is only 15kg lighter therefore offers a very pure driving experience.

Before I bought my car new in March (and saved £6k off list, plus another £7k for going with the non-S model), I test drove many variations including C4S, Cabs etc. No disrespect meant for owners of other models but the C4 is some 60kg heavier, while the C4 cab is over 140kg heavier.

IMO the 997.2 Coupe offers the purest driving experience short of the GT3. (Flame suit on)

Weight is definitely not your friend!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if thats the case, why do they bother making the S?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aynit911 wrote:
So if thats the case, why do they bother making the S?

In previous models there was a bigger difference. As mentioned by others here, brakes were of a bigger diameter on the S and the performance advance was bigger. On 997.2 models (certainly the UK models) that performance/spec advantage has been significantly reduced due to reduced difference in engine capacity (now only 186cc) and the lighter weight of the 997.2 C2.

There are always folks willing to part with an extra £7000 for the S model for the slight gain in performance and/or having the satisfaction of an S badge stuck on their boot lid. Best of luck to them. Personally I did not see, hear or feel a £7k difference during my many test drives. In fact when I test drove a C4S Cab which by the way was £20k more than my purchase, it felt positively lardy and nowhere near as nimble or 'pointable' as the lightweight vanilla version of the 997.2 which I preffered by a long way.

So in short the answer to your question is extra ££££££ for Porsche.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I bought the S in the end, in terms of driving, for some reason I felt the non S was more nimble and lighter. I actually felt a part of the car, more so than the S.

Drive them both first though. Then buy the S. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Senna wrote:
aynit911 wrote:
So if thats the case, why do they bother making the S?


So in short the answer to your question is extra ££££££ for Porsche.


So you're saying the "S" is just a big con?

Anyone wanna swap my "S" for a non-S?
Or shall I just take the "S" off the back - then I can pretend its a non-S!
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