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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s a great question as most of us probably forget the theory when we see a shiny toy that we want.

PPI - Not 100% necessary but depends on how well you know these cars. For instance a 7 year old car might need exhaust bolts replacing (not warranty covered and needs a few £ spending and may not be worn enough to fail 111). Brakes wear level, suspension can all be starting to wear but not fail a 111. I ask for it to be put on a lift, then have a poke about, might not be very experienced on fixing them but have a basic understanding on what to look for given the amount of cheques written for work on previous cars.

I do always ask for the printouts of service history/recall Work (off the computers at the servicing OPC) not always given them but at least get to view them or speak over the phone if serviced at a different OPC to the one your buying from.

Appologies for the long answer but I’m at an OPC with time to kill and have had 2 coffees already.

I would definately have this inspected though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought that in their type of business their reputations have to be squeaky clean, you can imagine the 'gnashing of teeth' if someone posts a very negative review for the world and Porsche UK to see!
I know car dealers are car dealers all the world over but an OPC has very high standards to maintain and I would have thought that if you went back with a valid issue it would be sorted pretty quickly.
As others have said have a good look around underneath for rusty nuts and bolts and exhausts and condition of brakes and tyres, if you see anything suspicious mention it and see what their reaction is. I've looked at several cars recently and not at OPC's but at other high end dealers and TBH I've walked away dumb struck by how badly they have been presented, one Turbo I looked at in a dealers show room had more stone chips than a Beirut Taxi and when I mentioned it they said the usual, 'oh it'll be sorted if you put a deposit down' err no thanks I've just seen what it looks like before and that is my first impression!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
I would have thought that in their type of business their reputations have to be squeaky clean, you can imagine the 'gnashing of teeth' if someone posts a very negative review for the world and Porsche UK to see!
I know car dealers are car dealers all the world over but an OPC has very high standards to maintain and I would have thought that if you went back with a valid issue it would be sorted pretty quickly.
As others have said have a good look around underneath for rusty nuts and bolts and exhausts and condition of brakes and tyres, if you see anything suspicious mention it and see what their reaction is. I've looked at several cars recently and not at OPC's but at other high end dealers and TBH I've walked away dumb struck by how badly they have been presented, one Turbo I looked at in a dealers show room had more stone chips than a Beirut Taxi and when I mentioned it they said the usual, 'oh it'll be sorted if you put a deposit down' err no thanks I've just seen what it looks like before and that is my first impression!


Good points, I wonder if the poor prep is due to a lot of SOR type sales and hence seeing cars marketed without having being prepped?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Treat an OPC as you would any other used car dealer, they have been known to pass on accident damaged cars in the past. Believe OPC Leicester passed on a 997 RS which had been wrecked on track and rebuilt badly not that many years ago. Do your checks



This was the reason I asked, after speaking with an independent vehicle inspector; he advised that in his time, he had come across 2no re-shells being sold as accident-free.

I think this applies more to GT cars where accident damage doesn't always get reported and therefore may not appear on a standard HPI check?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back when i was there then ..

Brake discs had to have less than 50% wear so 1mm or less wear.

Brake pads had to have less than 50 % wear.

Tyres had to be 3mm or above .

Corroded exhaust if not blowing or any obvious faults would pass.

If an air vent had a broken slate it had to be replaced.

Any item not functioning correctly ie a cigar lighter that doesnt stay in had to be fixed.

It used to be a very thorough check but like anything its down to the individual mechanic.

The RAC would come in once every 6 monthes and do a random check on cars for sale ..

Anything they found could result in huge fines so the emphasis is on makeing sure the cars are certainly upto spec.

But ive not worked at an OPC for a while now .
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel you should also do your own PPI. I have always wanted a 996 turbo and esp X50 or S.

I bought imine from a 'reputable' Indy not too far from London. I have had the car for a approx 16 months and have done less than 1000 miles. Here is a list of what went wrong.

- Day after purchasing to wife for a spirited drive - clutch started slipping. Took it back to Indy. Firstly accused me of tracking it. I showed him the mileage which demonstrated I had completed 160 miles (its 76 miles to my home - so work that out) :don't know: The lack of trust annoyed me especially I had to pointed to them that I had under paid them by £1,000 when buying the car before i picked it up.

- Fitted a new clutch, I paid for the clutch and labour was free (cost me £900).

- 50 miles later, spung coolant leak all over the garage. So tow truck to garage again. They put in a new jubilee clip

- Headlight washer stopped working, it was supposed to have been done as part of pre-inspection. Couldn't be bothered going back.

- Next service 7 months later. Thought I'd change the gearbox oil, as Indy/seller said that it hadn't been done (although Indy's receipt it had been done) Looking at the oil as it came out - no way said my mechanic. Confused

There were also some other minor stuff which they hadn't picked up, which I

In hindsight, I wish I had my own inspection done, rather than trust a 'reputable' Indy.

Please note: I prefer Indys far far more than OPCs. But not the one I bought my car from.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always do your own due diligence.

It's easier to walk away then fix problems later.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recently some have posted on here their dissatisfaction with approved used cars from some OPC's. One individual has damaged alloys & paint & another the PCM not being latest spec. I mused at the time whether prospective purchasers should now consider a PPI.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I purchased from a specialist dealer and on the face of it the car was fine, but on examination when some negatives began making their presence felt it became clear I should have had a PPI done. Leaks, flaws, items not as described and cheap fixes means an ongoing dispute via legal action. I will never again trust a dealer's blurb but instead pay for an independent report every time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GARY S wrote:


Recently some have posted on here their dissatisfaction with approved used cars from some OPC's. One individual has damaged alloys & paint & another the PCM not being latest spec. I mused at the time whether prospective purchasers should now consider a PPI.



IMO, there's two levels of PPI.

The main one is whether the car is currently good enough to justify the price being paid. Major items should all be serviceable with decent life left in any consumable items. Most buyers would prefer this check to be carried out by a Porsche Specialist. If buying from an OPC I'd expect this to have been done and would not bother paying to have it double-checked.

The second level is far more basic and can be carried out by the purchaser. eg. Things like paint blemishes, marked alloys and level of spec'. It's items such as these that I wouldn't expect an OPC to sort out unless the buyer flagged them up as needing doing as part of the deal.

All the posts I've read from people complaining about cosmetic details have come from people who just assumed that these things would be sorted prior to delivery.

I learned along time ago to expect a car to be delivered in the condition that I viewed it unless I'd made a point of telling the dealer that I wanted something rectified.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always been an advocate of OPC Warranties and thought I was quite clued up on the restrictions on getting one but I was gobsmacked when I heard of this one yesterday.

Painting your brake calipers a different colour from that specified for the model by Porsche is a fail.

eg. Yellow calipers on a car not fitted with PCCBs is a fail. Red calipers on a non 'S' car is a fail. nooo

NB: It's nothing to do with the fact that somebody must have disassembled them. Having them sprayed back to the original colour would make them acceptable.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OPC did me for a non standard battery on the 111 point check
But I insisted on having the old one back just to be awkward, they even carried from the workshop to the back of my wife’s car, those things are darn heavy ! terms

On the positive side they gave me red 911 Porsche toy car for ‘free’ - if you don’t ask you don’t get Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My OPC warranty has now expired, didn't renew, however just before Chester Porsche centre were very fair with me when in for service & did a check / replaced several expensive items beforehand, coolant hoses right through, steering rack that I didn't know had any issues beforehand. so maybe the warranty is fair enough.

having learnt a lot since then & although my cars been A1 I have seen a lot of frightening tales on here about failures, maybe the OPC warranty is worth doing again. mines a 997.2
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bizarre. I don't have a Porsche warranty as it would take too much effort to bring the car back to (their) standard however, their criteria seems way too excessive/restrictive imho.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet I know of a person who has Carnewal GT exhaust fitted to his Boxster that sailed through ........ Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamster75 wrote:
My OPC warranty has now expired, didn't renew, however just before Chester Porsche centre were very fair with me when in for service & did a check / replaced several expensive items beforehand, coolant hoses right through, steering rack that I didn't know had any issues beforehand. so maybe the warranty is fair enough.

having learnt a lot since then & although my cars been A1 I have seen a lot of frightening tales on here about failures, maybe the OPC warranty is worth doing again. mines a 997.2


Good to hear, as I also have used OPC Chester..... To be fair they are only following the rules in the case of 111point check, apart from this battery fail I have been amazed how professional and proactive they have been with me when I was sorting out my check and warranty purchase
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst there are flaws with the Porsche warrenty system i still say its the best out there and if possible always worth getting.

Bare in mind i work for an Indy so my comment is actually taking work away from us !!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any reason why?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
Any reason why?


I'm told that Porsche GB explained that it was simply because such modifications have to match something that could have been supplied on that model by the factory.

I assume that this is why something like an upgrade from PDK button wheel to a PDK paddle shift wheel would be ok.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s probably more accurate to say the work must look like it was done the Porsche way and existed at some point during the model life. Whether the factory could have fitted the item does not have any bearing, such as early 997.2 and PSE.

They might as well admit that the level of enforcement is quite arbitrary, but they won’t do that.
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