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david.m
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Is the Porsche Satnav any good ? Reply with quote

Hi, can anyone help me. I am about to buy an 05 or 06 C2s and have been offered one that ticks most of my boxes but doesn’t have satnav. How do people rate the Porsche satnav system, is it worth having or would you just stick to a Tom Tom or similar. For example does the Porsche system allow full input of postcodes.
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Maxie
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi david.m and welcome.

Most 997's for sale I've seen have satnav fitted as many customers would expect it on what is a £65k car (minimum, brand new). I certainly wouldn't buy a 997 without it. Whether it's any good is slightly different. PCM 2.0 as fitted to the late 996's and early 997's don't have the postcode search facility. IIRC, PCM 2.1 doesn't as well. All I know is that the Gen 2 PCM equipped cars does have post code search. The PCM fitted cars will not be able to compete with the mobile sat navs you can buy today, but what for it is, I find it still a useful piece of kit to have. I use my PCM 2.0 quite a lot and the handbook (supplied separately) contains lots of other features as well.

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Jamie
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The system is OK but more importantly is that most people want it.

Portable systems are normally more advanced however i personally hate dealing with wires and attaching to the screen.

If the car is an absolute bargain then you can always retro fit for £1,500.00 but I would personally buy a car with it.

You can enter postcodes up to say KT18 5.. which then shortens the search for road names.

What is the rest of the spec?
 
  
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Evil_C
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome

The first generation 997 satnav is good but not brilliant. You cannot input postcodes, but once you have gone through the process of spelling out the town, road etc., it does work quite well. But, with cr&p graphics.

A high end TomTom will be much more functional, but and this is a big BUT, IMHO PCM with navigation is pretty much a must have for a 997

In the current market it will make relatively little difference in the price you pay, but in the long term will make the car a lot more desirable.

Like Maxie, I use mine all the time and have no probs.

In terms of other options, the desirables that will help on resale are CD changer, Bose, PSE (Porsche Sports Exhaust) and Sports Chrono pack

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive / Maxie, as per my post you will find that in the least the later gen1 sat nav's do take a post code to a point. Mine certainly does, as it did on my 06 plate Cayenne.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie wrote:
Clive / Maxie, as per my post you will find that in the least the later gen1 sat nav's do take a post code to a point. Mine certainly does, as it did on my 06 plate Cayenne.


I'm going to check when I get home Jamie, but I'm sure I don't get a postcode option when I select destination input, just address and POI.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhh, it isn't an option as such in mine. When you are selecting town, you are able to input the post code up to first five characters instead which then shortens your choices on road names.

I haven't done it for a while so will go and check now!

When I bought my Cayenne in 2006 I saw an article in Christophorus detailing this new feature which when I asked the OPC he said - no you can't do it but when we tried you could. So, your 54 plate might not have the function.

Be right back - going to check...
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just been out to the car and succesfully entered the first 5 letters/numbers of the post code within the 'town' entry box which then brought up Epsom which I confirmed. I then went into street and it shortened down the options to streets within that post code.
 
  
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speedy_un
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

early 997 can be updated to software 3.0 that does postcodes. Not as good as portable, but agree that it is expected for car to have PCM.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did PCM 2.1 come in? Which is what I have got??

I think the updates Paul are very expensive. I seem to remember it would cost in the region of £450 to upgrade mine.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks Jamie - as you would guess, I'm in IT so I haven't looked in the manual PC

Paul, if I need to update my software does that involve an expensive visit to an OPC Question

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garyw
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly an update does mean an expensive trip to the OPC Sad (new Disc)
I've never really struggled with the PCM, I've toured Europe and the UK on it easily..
In its favour it does tend to choose roads very similar to those picked by Autoroute, so whilst you can't plot route out of the car, it does give you an idea prior..
I do actually prefer the mapping to my Tom Tom as I tend to zoom in and out to get a general idea of location, for that I find the TT very poor along with its lane notification.. however I have seen some units including the Porsche design that do offer the lane notification option..
The PCM does offer and advance warning in both the speedo display and main PCM display.
IMHO

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Maxie
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamie - yes I think then you do have PCM 2.1 if you are able to input part post code.

An upgrade doesn't necessarily have to involve an expensive trip to an OPC for upgraded discs. I upgraded my 2002 discs to 2005 ones last year for about £40. One guy from the PCGB forum proposed he would buy all the latest discs for PCM 2.0 and then make copies for as many people who wanted them as long as they shared the costs with him. So instead of us all paying £400 each (or whatever the cost is), we paid one tenth for duplicate discs.

Not strictly legal I appreciate but every little helps.

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Jamie
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So to help the original poster, when did PCM2.1 first come in as standard? I think it might be 06 plate but not entirely sure...
 
  
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speedy_un
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the later reply...

I upgraded my 2005 997 to what I was told was 2008 spec.
However, early 997's came fitted with an older HARDWARE version (early 2005 - Jamie your's should be later version) that means they cannot be upgraded to 3.3 (I'm now on 3.0).

The big difference is that I cannot play MP3's on the head unit.

I got a deal on the 2008 upgrade (part number details attached), and hoped that I would get to keep the software upgrade discs (cd's).
However, the OPC (CARDIFF - great guys) advised that they were not allowed to release these to the customer, and in fact all I had purchased was the mapping DVD.

It is important to remember that the software CD's only upgrade the amp/phone etc. The Nav section is upgraded by the Nav DVD that stays in the car.

This is a big grey area. If you are anywhere near Cardiff, give them a call (Martin Wright) and ask them if the discs they kept back from Paul Sykes can be used to upgrade your car! Same goes for any other OPC that has done this recently - they should have the discs.

But remeber, this will not give you postcode functionality - that is provided by the Nav dvd upgrade.

...you may find someone out there who can provide you with a nav dvd for less that the £450 that porsche will want! I didn't do this becasue a) I wanted the whole software update b) I'm not giving porsche any excuses when it comes to warranty (please don't get me started on that again!Wink

Hope this helps!
 



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, checked last night and whilst I'm not sure which version of PCM I have, it will not allow postcode input apart from London codes.

I'm not bothered enough to spend money on a new disc and as pointed out by GaryW, it works fine and the graphics on the speedo display are v. useful.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never understood why Porsche don't price the updates more competitively as the cost to them must be very low. How many people pay £450 for minor improvements? If it was £100 all in, I am sure that most people, especially us enthusiasts would always get the latest.

That thread the other day that speedy-un started - yes you!! Should have been about cost of warranty vs PCM upgrade!!! Gotcha Hand
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fight

I said DON'T get me started!!!! Very Happy

There will come a time soon when satnav's are made to a generic spec, and car manufacturers create a generic "hole" in the car to accept them that is pre-wired to an antenna/power etc.

...but almost certainly not Porsche!

I'm off to have my car resprayed by Sainbury's - nectar points offer today!Wink
 
  
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Evil_C
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

speedy_un wrote:
I'm off to have my car resprayed by Sainbury's - nectar points offer today!Wink


Reminds me of the old joke about a guy who got an Irishman to paint his porch. 2 hours later the Irishman came to him and said " all finished sorr, but you know it's not a Porsche, it's a Ferrari"

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that would be a great idea for volume cars like Ford, Renault etc to have a space in the dash where any unit can be inserted and hooked up. Like you say, never in a Porsche.
 
  
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