The isofix kit fitted was £240 inc VAT from OPC Guildford, the key switch is located end of the dash where the passenger door closes and they fit a airbag deactivated light in the centre dash
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:02 pm Post subject:
Porsche car seats
Maxi Cosi Cabriofix
Age: 0-9 months (can go up to 12/15 months)
Type: Coupe or Cabriolet
This is actually a very good seat that I already have, being used in our regular cars, with the EasyFix base (rear facing seat position) on either IsoFix or seat belts. The EasyFix is not ideal for the 911, hence the route of the seatbelt method as portrayed perfectly below:
Barry Ashcroft wrote:
Here is our Maxicosi Pebble it fits fully flat and still have room for the wife in the front.
Which.co.uk rating: 70% (family fix base) 2010, 58% (belted) 2007, 82% (EasyFix) 2007
Pros: Excellent front crash protection, easy to fit in the car, good finish quality, and base can be used with the group one Pearl seat once the child outgrows the Cabriofix
Cons: Poor side crash protection when secured using the adult seat belt, seat cover is hand wash only
I have just bought the Maxi Cosi Tobi seat for the rear of my 997 Cabriolet. Removing the lower seat bit makes it fit much better.
Only downside is limited legroom. We can't use it for a good few months yet so will report back next year with pics and experience!
I wasn't expecting it to be THiS hard to get a flippin' seat!!
BeSafe iZi Comfort X3
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe
Shewie wrote:
I have the Mamas & Papas Pro-tec in my 996 C4S. It fits a treat, especially with the seat backrest removed (10 minute job) although it does sit quite high so not sure how successful it would be in a cab. Secondhand off eBay is now probably the only place to get the original Pro-Tec as it is now discontinued, however I think the seat itself was manufactured by BeSafe in Norway and rebranded "Mamas & Papas" in the UK.
Although not widely available I believe you can still get them under the name "BeSafe IZI Comfort X3". As far as I know this is exactly the same seat as the Pro-tec just sold under a different name. the website contains a list of UK stockists
Which.co.uk rating: 66% (isofix) / 61% (belted) 2011 results
Pros: Excellent side crash protection, good front crash protection, easy to use, good finish quality
Cons: Good crash protection but misses the Best Buy grade overall, bulky and heavy
Mama's & Papa's Protec
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe
Strafford wrote:
I've just bought a Mamas & Papas Pro-Tec seat - it's Group 1, forward facing, so suitable for 9kg-18kg, and fits perfectly in the back of my 997 Carrera S Coupe.
Despite initially being told unhelpfully by Mamas and Papas in Watford that 'none of their car seats would fit that car', Mamas and Papas in Cheshunt were much better and their car seat expert was very happy with the way it fitted. The seat belt routing is different on the Pro-Tec to others I've looked at and suits the siting of the belts in the 997 well.
The seat is sitting directly onto the floor carpet, by removing the leather pad that forms the 'cushion' of the rear seat (it is velcroed in and just pulls upwards to come out)
I'm much relieved to have found a good seat (much better than the Porsche ones as far as my daughter's comfort is concened), from a reputable brand, and hence confirmed that the 997 is indeed the 'ideal family car' I'd told my wife it was !
jayboy7 wrote:
thanks everyone looked back at all the threads and we have managed to get mama & papas protech which fits perfect!!im gona send the recaro back shame as it looked the part but just didnt fit securely!we will be out tomorow as a family the first trip in the 997!!looking foward to sharing the fun...more exiting than the range rover..
Britax Evolva 1-2-3
Age: 9 months - 12 years
Type: Coupe
markbs wrote:
I went through a lot of searching a couple of months ago for my newly acquired 996 C2. I went to our local independent specialist and tried from a short list of 5 (price wasn't important). The only one I was satisfied with was the Britax Evolva 123. It fits our almost 2 year old well and didn't involve any mods or seat removal. I put down a leather seat protector before they strapped it in for me. My wife sits infront of him and we all fit well. I obv take his shoes off before he gets in as I'm keen to keep the interior immaculate.
Britax 2-Way Elite
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe or Cabriolet
uktrailmonster wrote:
Finally sorted!!
I went to this specialist child-seat fitter in Milton Keynes www.incarsafetycentre.co.uk which was recommended among a few other places around the country by an industry expert who posted on an earlier thread.
They had obviously been through this scenario before and straight away recommended the Britax Two-Way Elite. It fits like a glove without having to remove either the seat-back or base and belt tensioning is simple and very effective. Plenty of room left for the front seat too. Not exactly cheap at nearly £200 but it looks like a quality product.
For anyone interested, here's a link to the actual seat. Apparently it's a Scandinavian import not normally sold in the UK because it can be fitted both front or rear facing (a legal requirement for Swedish toddlers I'm told). Obviously I've fitted it forward facing in the back of the 996!
Also briefly tried the Britax Evolva 1-2-3, but contrary to the above post it didn't appear to fit in my 996 C2? Although we didn't spend very long trying as the other seat fitted so well.
Britax Duo Plus
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe or Cabriolet
njm500 wrote:
Hi there, I went for the britax duo plus for my 997 c4s cab. Great seat. Really compact but very secure. It has isofix or seat belt securing. I have used it in the front passenger seat with isofix for my 2 yr old daughter or back seat. Both work really well.
I have a 997 c4s cab and have had the Britax Duo Plus for past 18months. Is excellent. Plus I have isofix in the front seat also. So have choice of isofix in the front or seat belt in the rear.
FYI - Britax duo fix is also the same as latest Porsche Child Seat rebadged by Porsche
I got my local OPEC to fit official isofix to passenger front seat + switch for turning airbag off etc....
Car Seat was about £130 when i bought it online.
The isofix kit fitted was £240 inc VAT from OPC Guildford, the key switch is located end of the dash where the passenger door closes and they fit a airbag deactivated light in the centre dash
The new 2012 colours have come out at £200+, but the older versions are still available slightly cheaper at Amazon
Which.co.uk rating: 70% (isofix) 2007
Pros: Excellent crash performance as an Isofix seat, good all round ease of use
Cons: Doesn't make the Best Buy grade as a belted seat, seat cover must be hand-washed
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 243 Location: Southwater, West Sussex
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 3:39 am Post subject:
Mamas & Papas Pro-Tec in my 996 4S (seat backs removed as well as bottoms)
Cracking seat, Mrs has plenty of space up front... _________________ MY2004 Midnight Blue 996.2 Carrera Aerokit Hartech'd + Mercedes GLE 350d
Previous: BMW X5 M 40d, Megane RS 265 cup, C63 AMG, Seal Grey 996 C4S, Lapis blue 986 Boxster S
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:40 pm Post subject:
Thanks David. Do you know if that is the same as the Protec seat I have detailed above? The SA-ATS? It looks like the older one, similar to the BeSafe? Also, have you removed the head cushion now (child older?)
I have also come across another seat... Looks good! So not sure now:
Kiddy Energy Pro
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe
timjoslyn wrote:
So I visited the showroom at http://www.pushchairsandcarseats.co.uk/ today to try out the seats mentioned above. After about an hour of trying different seats in the back of the 997 there was one seat that stood out as providing the best fit, called was the Kiddy Energy Pro (some Mum's opinions at http://www.mumsnet.com/Reviews/CarSeatsFromNineMonths/75-kiddy-energy-pro). A fairly innovative design in that it doesn't have any belts but seems to be very well regarded and fits really well into the Porsche (and allows the front passenger seat to have plenty of room).
The Recaro Young Expert and Maxi Cosi Tobi also fitted ok but either compromised the front passenger too much or did not fit as well as I wanted so I plumped for the Energy Pro.
"The forward-facing Group 1 Kiddy Energy Pro is suitable for children weighing between nine and 18kg (approximately one- to four-years-old). It is secured using the adult seat belt and an impact shield to help spread the crash loads. Read the full review to find out how it faired in the Which? Child Car Seat tests.
This is an excellent child car seat, which fairs well in our front-end and side-impact collisions. The child is exposed to low loads as the impact shield does its job.
At just 4kg, it's a very light-weight seat and it easy to handle and install. The instructions in the handbook and on the seat are clear.
Head support is excellent and leg support is good. The car seat gives the child a good view from the seat, despite the jutting shoulder and head wings, which are key to providing excellent side-impact protection. The seat is quite tall so it's suitable for larger children, but this also means you may need to remove the adult head restraint in some cars in order to make sure it sits squarely on the passenger seat.
We changed the car body we use for testing in 2011, to more accurately reflect the current typical family car seatbelt layout and design. We carried out some repeat testing, to ensure that previous tests shown online are broadly comparable to the current ones. However, such a significant change means we can't make absolute comparisons."
Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 243 Location: Southwater, West Sussex
Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:50 am Post subject:
Xstyle wrote:
Thanks David. Do you know if that is the same as the Protec seat I have detailed above? The SA-ATS? It looks like the older one, similar to the BeSafe? Also, have you removed the head cushion now (child older?)
I have also come across another seat... Looks good! So not sure now:
Kiddy Energy Pro
Age: 9 months - 4 years
Type: Coupe
timjoslyn wrote:
So I visited the showroom at http://www.pushchairsandcarseats.co.uk/ today to try out the seats mentioned above. After about an hour of trying different seats in the back of the 997 there was one seat that stood out as providing the best fit, called was the Kiddy Energy Pro (some Mum's opinions at http://www.mumsnet.com/Reviews/CarSeatsFromNineMonths/75-kiddy-energy-pro). A fairly innovative design in that it doesn't have any belts but seems to be very well regarded and fits really well into the Porsche (and allows the front passenger seat to have plenty of room).
The Recaro Young Expert and Maxi Cosi Tobi also fitted ok but either compromised the front passenger too much or did not fit as well as I wanted so I plumped for the Energy Pro.
"The forward-facing Group 1 Kiddy Energy Pro is suitable for children weighing between nine and 18kg (approximately one- to four-years-old). It is secured using the adult seat belt and an impact shield to help spread the crash loads. Read the full review to find out how it faired in the Which? Child Car Seat tests.
This is an excellent child car seat, which fairs well in our front-end and side-impact collisions. The child is exposed to low loads as the impact shield does its job.
At just 4kg, it's a very light-weight seat and it easy to handle and install. The instructions in the handbook and on the seat are clear.
Head support is excellent and leg support is good. The car seat gives the child a good view from the seat, despite the jutting shoulder and head wings, which are key to providing excellent side-impact protection. The seat is quite tall so it's suitable for larger children, but this also means you may need to remove the adult head restraint in some cars in order to make sure it sits squarely on the passenger seat.
We changed the car body we use for testing in 2011, to more accurately reflect the current typical family car seatbelt layout and design. We carried out some repeat testing, to ensure that previous tests shown online are broadly comparable to the current ones. However, such a significant change means we can't make absolute comparisons."
Looks simillar although it doesn't have the twist handles on the bottom of the base for the recline. If its the same shape of base it should fit as snug as a bug. The head cushion velcros against the back of the seat (I'd only just installed it in the pic). _________________ MY2004 Midnight Blue 996.2 Carrera Aerokit Hartech'd + Mercedes GLE 350d
Previous: BMW X5 M 40d, Megane RS 265 cup, C63 AMG, Seal Grey 996 C4S, Lapis blue 986 Boxster S
glamdring Monza
Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 235 Location: Peterboghorror
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject:
I just bought one of these for my 2 yr old. He is just 15kgs which is the right size for this seat.
My wife is 5'10" and this seat will go behind the sports seats and leave enough room for either her or me (I'm 6' 1") to sit in the front and stretch out a bit.
"1. Took the plastic cover off the bolt that bolts the seat belt into the bottom/side, then removed the bolt and let the belt hang in the back.
2. This is where I hit my bump in the road. My torx screw was already a little rounded off on my driver side and I couldn't quite find a torx head to fit in it. Mine seemed like the correct size was right in between 40 and 45, but the 40 just continued to strip the screw and the 45 was to large. After wasting an hour going to and from Sears hoping they made 42 size torx head I came home and gave up on trying to remove the torx screw w/o completely stripping it (i'll buy new screws when needed) I then took the 45 and hammered it hard enough to get a tight fit into the torx screw where I then just took my 3/8ths ratchet and was able to loosen it. I did this to both sides and after finally getting the process right on the driver side the passenger side took me about 30 seconds.
3.The torx screw goes through a little rail bracket so once I removed the torx screw I pulled up enough to get the upper part of the seat off the rail. I then pulled the seats off the mounting bar or whatever you would like to call it.
4. At this point both seats are off and just the bracket that sits in between the seats is left. If you pop off the plastic cover from that you have exposed the thing that the seat sits on so its able to flip down (referred as the mounting bar in step 3) All you have to do to remove that is take an allen key and loosen it and your done."
Anybody seen a user guide with pics? Or even YouTube videos?
Thanks
Mike H Monza
Joined: 02 Jul 2010 Posts: 182
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:29 am Post subject:
I looked around everywhere... and eventually bought the proper Porsche seat.
Its dynamite and fits perfectly.
Also - you cant put a price on the safety of your kids right. _________________ 2006 997 C2S tip - PSE
2004 330i BMW Coupe.
2003 323i BMW Convertible.
2001 320 BMW Saloon.
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:05 am Post subject:
Mike H wrote:
I looked around everywhere... and eventually bought the proper Porsche seat.
Its dynamite and fits perfectly.
Also - you cant put a price on the safety of your kids right.
Exactly! Glad you like the P seat. Most others mentioned here are actually better than the P seat.
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:34 pm Post subject:
Kiddy Guardian Pro 2 v Kiddy Energy Pro
I drove up to Oxford Pram Centre as per my last message.
I was focused on the Guardian Pro 2, tried it but it doesn't fit right. The assistant said the Energy Pro is the same fitment and dimensions to the base, so will be the same. Disappointed, I didn't test it, so just bought the Guardian Pro 2 for our normal cars, and my 9 month old child was very happy with it when tested today on a journey.
However, phoned Kiddicare who had both in stock, and asked them to measure and physically compare the bases.
The GP2 is 16" wide on a flat base, whereas the EP is 18" and the base is rounder. I really wish I checked for myself in Oxford! With this info, the EP should be ok, as that was the problem with the GP2, it doesn't shape itself to the aperture of the 911 inside rear. Mail ordered via John Lewis to my local Waitrose next day delivery, so will pick up and try the EP tomorrow, on a Sunday!
Maxi Cosi Tobi
The Tobi fitted in the base of the 911 perfectly. However it was quite high, which also pushed the seating position forward meaning leg room would be massively compromised for both baby and front passenger. A definite no.
I feel the Pro-Tec seats, and B-Wise will be exactly the same for this reason.
Britax Evolva 123 Plus
Sold out in the UK in every Halfords, so that's that.
Praying for the Energy Pro to be the one now... otherwise will buy the official Porsche seat! I'll report back soon...
Maxi Cosi Cabriofix Pearl
My existing stage 0 seat to 9 months fitted perfectly as shown by Barry Ashcroft earlier in this thread. The 2 hour + return journey was probably the best ever! Also the first time my baby was in a Porsche too, just fell asleep each time straightaway.
I will post pics of the rear seat removal when I get a chance, was quite easy.
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject:
Update:
The Kiddy Energy Pro does NOT fit nicely in the 911 rear.
Eliminating a lot of seats that others have mentioned!
Britax Prince
Spoke to "QuickFit Seat Belt Services" on Tel: (020) 8206 0101
from a previous PH thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=224968
and they said the Porche Seat is actually the Britax Prince. £60 compared to £300.
They also said the Britax Evolva 123 is likely to be too wide at 60cm...
Earlier someone said the Duo Plus is the same as the Porsche Junior Seat, but looking closer (just via the pics) it looks like it is the Prince seat.
http://www.britax.co.uk/car-seats/car-seats/prince
Any comments guys?
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject:
Ok, just been to Halfords with the aid of one of their fitting experts, and I can honestly say, NOTHING fits!!!
Britax Evolva 123
Too wide, doesn't fit along the base too well, and crunches against the seat belt clipper.
Britax Duo Plus
Fitted in the base perfectly, but not too much gap behind... I had taken the bottom and the rear upright seat leather out of the car. Even with the seat belt fitted, there was way too much play and not stable.
Britax Prince
Fitted well on the base at the front end, but not the rear end of the base, fitted ok along the back of the upright, but not really perfect. Tried again on the other side with the rear leather upright seat in place, and was probably worse.
The one I haven't tried is the latest Mama's & Papa's Protec / B-Wise...
Narnia, I am not sure on, and the brand hasn't generallŷ got good reviews on Which?.
Will try the official Porsche seat and I'll be at my wits end if that doesn't fit!!
It has to... right...??!?
glamdring Monza
Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 235 Location: Peterboghorror
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject:
Britax Kid Plus fits in the back of a 997 perfectly, suits 15kg+ perfectly.
Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:31 pm Post subject:
glamdring wrote:
Britax Kid Plus fits in the back of a 997 perfectly, suits 15kg+ perfectly.
Have you got any pics please? Thanks.
glamdring Monza
Joined: 23 Feb 2010 Posts: 235 Location: Peterboghorror
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:28 am Post subject:
Xstyle wrote:
Have you got any pics please? Thanks.
Attached.
This is fitting behind Adaptive Sports Seats. I take the rear seat base out to protect the leather, but you don't really need to, it does fit without removing it.
The width of the base is adjustable (pics show it at narrowest) so it can be widened as my son gets bigger. Head restraint moves up and down and has about five inches of growth movement in at the moment, so I figure it should see him through for a good while yet.
I used a Maxi Cosi Tobi prior to this which does fit okay, but you have to put a cloth around the back of it to prevent it marking the upholstery on the C-pillar. But, now my little boy's head is sticking out the top of it, it's too high, so it's an interim seat, not a solution.
The Kid Plus is apparently the same as the Porsche seat, so Kiddicare.com told me anyway. They tried about six seats in the back of the car and this was the best fit. Can't remember which other one or two fitted but if you are anywhere near Peterborough they are very good - order online as well. This seat is £99 still I think.
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Xstyle Trainee
Joined: 23 Dec 2011 Posts: 80
Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject:
Many thanks!
One to bear in mind for the future... my daughter has just turned 9 months, so need the Stage 1. I didn't like the Tobi as it sat up high too much, nd thus further forward than ideal too...
Fits perfectly, but there seems to be some play with the seat belt fixing. I have checked multiple times and refitted, pulled to tension it etc... Even the Porsche guy said its not the best in the rear...
What are your thoughts? I am able to return if I a not happy...
Drove 2 hours constantly up the motorway, and my 9 month daughter was fine. Really comfortable.
Near the end of my journey, some blind bat cut me up from the inside left lane of the roudabout, and I had to take swift evasive action... whilst my baby stretched out her arms to hold onto the side of the door, the seat belt worked well (on all three of us), and her seat was fine... just moved a lil as the seat belt would.
I'll probably keep it, and it has red piping which matches my Guards Red seatbelts!
So as well as online research, I have safety tested the seat as well!!!
Are you fitting this in a Coupe or a Cabriolet? As the back seats are different, it would be useful if people could mention what body type your 997 is and whether these seats fit in the front or the rear.
I am looking for a seat for my 2.5 yr old, to go in the back of my C2S Cab. Like many others, have been to Halfords and tried a heap of seats and was told none of them were a good enough fit. They didn't have all of the ones mentioned here, but did try the Maxi Cosi Tobi and that was a No. Went to OPC but no Porsche branded ones in stock to try.
Will try the Duo Plus if I can find one in a store, as I note someone had that fitted to the back of a C4S cab. Seems like lots of people claiming the Porsche ones are just re-branded Britax or similar (which I would imagine is true), but seems to be conflicting rumours about exactly which one!? _________________ 997.1 Carrera 2s Cabriolet
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