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911UK
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2
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PCM1 took Casette Tapes ! and the mapping CD's are not to upgradeable
PCM2 Cd's......
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Dijon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 1:03 am Post subject:
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| Previous poster wrote: | Quote: Originally posted by Wattie on 14 December 2006
I'm assuming the car is pre-facelift then, else I believe it would have PCM2 - anyone know any different?
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I thought PCM2 came out in 2003. So the first load of Facelift cars has PCM1 - which to be honest (IMHO) is not that good at all.
It can be lived with though and is certainly better than nothing!
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electech
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Joined: 13 Oct 2006
Posts: 41
Location: england
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| Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject:
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PCM 1 uses tapes and PCM 2 uses cd, also pcm 1 only works phone on o2 or vodaphone and the pcm 2 uses all networks.
pcm2 is available on 03 model year onwards.
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ColinC2
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Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Location: Kent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject:
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I think that the performance of both is pants compared with touch screen models available today from Kenwood or Alpine combined with separate hands free phone kit from, say, Nokia.
When i ended up with no Porsche PCM in my turbo I was initially a bit miffed but have ended up with a better system that looks like OEM.
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brian eady
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Joined: 14 Dec 2006
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Location: norwich
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:28 pm Post subject:
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OK - the last one sounds interesting - what did you end up getting Colin?
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ColinC2
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Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Posts: 96
Location: Kent
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:48 pm Post subject:
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I have a kenwood DVD screen and satnav. The screen is as close as I could get to the OEM but it is touch screen. If you have seen the latest Jaguar system it is actually the same. I then have an ipod lead and can control the ipod from the touchscreen.
I am really impressed with it and would recommend it to anyone.
Am more then happy to answer more questions / give demos if you are in the south.
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Dave Smith
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Joined: 15 Nov 2006
Posts: 95
Location: Fleet
2004 Porsche 996 Targa
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:
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Could you post up a picture of how it looks ?
I'm looking to get a 996 Targa with PCM 2 (for the OEM look) which restricts the market somewhat.
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Stuttgart Spy
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject:
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| Previous poster wrote: | Quote: Originally posted by Dave Smith on 18 December 2006
Could you post up a picture of how it looks ?
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Exactly my question for Colin C2
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ColinC2
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Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Location: Kent
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:02 am Post subject:
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Sorry guys - I have been really tardy at doing this .... basically I forgot !! 
Am at home tomorrow so will try and take post pics.
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Carrera4S
Paul Ricard
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject:
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| Previous poster wrote: | Quote: Originally posted by ColinC2 on 02 January 2007
Sorry guys - I have been really tardy at doing this .... basically I forgot !!
Am at home tomorrow so will try and take post pics.
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Get your act together Colin!!!!
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Wattie
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Just a word of caution about aftermarket sat nav:
PCM, like all OEM systems, are linked into the vehicle's CAN system and will continue to provide accurate navigation when insufficient satellites can be seen... Sat Nav needs at least 3 satellites in 3 different directions to be visible (line of sight - i.e. no buildings, car roofs, etc. in between).
Aftermarket systems usually have an antennae INSIDE the car, so pillars and roof already limit the locations of satellites visible. You then also have tall buildings in town/city centres, and so on... You will find that satellite signal is lost fairly regularly, and in really bad weather it can be lost for hours at a time (I once drove all the way from Exeter to Bristol with no signal at all on my Tom Tom, but my PCM1 was accurate to within 10 metres!)
If you have PSM, PCM knows everytime you turn a corner, it knows from ABS how fast you are travelling, and it assumes that you are driving along a road, and therefore continues to provide accurate navigation with no satellite signal at all if necessary.
Because you cannot easily get updated maps for PCM1, I now substitue it with my laptop running Autoroute 2007 (comes with a GPS receiver) to get latest road info... Whilst cumbersome (needing a laptop) this is brilliant, as you can sit at your desk and plan your route (or recall an existing saved route) then as soon as you get in the car, just press the start button and off you go! Only thing I'm missing is TMC, but I use Vodafone traffic news for that.
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Wattie
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject:
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PS. In case you're wondering, a significant proportion of my income is earned from delivering training on using vehicle systems!
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Rob J
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Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Location: Dorset / Kazakhstan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject:
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How did we survive before SatNat??
I've got lost twice (failed to find my destination quickly) in the last year & each time was using bleedin SatNav. It's like many of these automated things stops you thinking. In each case I assumed it would get me to my destination, only to find it got me to within 200yds & then couldn't find the place I was looking for. without the Satnav would have got proper directions and got there far quicker
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Bit like parking sensors too, got irritated with the RRS beeping at my so switched off the sensors. Get home reversed down the drive & nearly put it through the garage door because I didn't get a beep.
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ColinC2
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Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Location: Kent
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:
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Fair point Wattie but the Kenwood system I have is in the second car I have owned now (previously in a CSL) and it has never got me lost in England or Europe. I think my attena is behind the rear view mirror.... and I could not go back to PCM now having had touch screen (and remote control if necessary!)
Guys that are interested in my install - I have taken some very quick pics today but dont have enough time to get them uploaded today.
Watch this space as they say...
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Wattie
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject:
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Colin, if you had your Kenwood professionally installed, you may have an external aerial - I think you can get them for Navman and Kenwood systems.
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Carrera4S
Paul Ricard
Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject:
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| Previous poster wrote: | Quote: Originally posted by ColinC2 on 03 January 2007
Fair point Wattie but the Kenwood system I have is in the second car I have owned now (previously in a CSL) and it has never got me lost in England or Europe. I think my attena is behind the rear view mirror.... and I could not go back to PCM now having had touch screen (and remote control if necessary!)
Guys that are interested in my install - I have taken some very quick pics today but dont have enough time to get them uploaded today.
Watch this space as they say...
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The Porsche has got a lovely built-in location, underneath the alarm LED, this is a standard antenna that would connect quite nicely to a Kenwood.
Also any decent SatNav (excluding Tomtom and other handhelds) have a gyroscope that records speed/direction when the satellite signal isn't present ie. tunnels etc.
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ColinC2
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject:
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apologies for quality of images ... its difficult to get in the back of the car with GT3 seats !!!
Here is a DVD playing
Wires in the pocket underneath are for cyclops which sits nicely in the pocket and the shape sort of matches the instrument cowl shape (i know - thats saddish!)
The climate control unit has been moved to the bottom - Porsche supply a new cowling to do so
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ColinC2
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:
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The unit can be controlled using a small remote or by touch screen controls.
Here is example of satnav map - can have split screen with different scales of map or one is map and the other is turns coming up.
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ColinC2
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:39 pm Post subject:
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I have ipod interface cable installe into the back of the unit with the ipod in the glovebox. Again all ipod functions controlled on the touch screen
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ColinC2
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject:
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The ipod interface allows 'discs' to be genre, playlist, album or artist and can browse through 6 at a time
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