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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

first of all hello to everybody. what do you think which car would win on the track that has both the high speed parts and hard turns? how much faster is the gt2 and is it better in handling ? also, is the interior of the gt2 much less luxurious than the turbo s? and what were the prices of these two cars when they were in sale ?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT2 every time

less weight, more power,

unless it is wet


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks.what about interior,is it much less luxurious and comfortable than turbo s ? so,basically,gt2 is the best 996 porsche?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no

GT3 is the best 996,

yes less luxurious, but who cares


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with the 3 every time. 2's are excellent, but high running costs, extra weight come into it. Turbo's are great cars, but not if you want an uncomprimised drive. Oh and Daz, love the reg no.



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah but if you dont look at the price and running costs,only performance(acceleration,top speed,handling,braking etc) which one is better gt3 or gt2 ?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheers bud,

had to be done


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and turbo ofcourse...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gt3,

round a track, more nimble, and no boost to worry about


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by Speed Freak on 29 November 2006

gt3,

round a track, more nimble, and no boost to worry about

You really think it would lap quicker than a GT2? It has 103 bhp more yet only weighs 60 kg more (340 bhp/ton vs 280 bhp/ton). That is a massive difference.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well have in mind that daz is GT3 addict Smile congratulations on your buy.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by vanja on 29November2006
well have in mind that daz is GT3 addict Smile congratulations on your buy.


Not yet he's not, wait til he's tracked it, then he'll truly realise what they are about, however seeing as his top end hasn't been run in properly yet, he'll have to a few track days under his belt to blow the cobwebs from the 4500 - 8500 rev range Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turbo S is the same as a normal turbo with X50 and ceramics.

As long as both cars are standard, then GT2 should be faster. The suspension is 20mm lower, harder, with dual rate springs, and different damping. All suspension is metal jointed for better wheel location.
GT2 weighs less, due to no 4wd system and other small weight savings, about 100Kg I think, and has about 25 bhp more (although there were two versions, the last ones had a bit more ooph).
GT2 is rear wheel drive, with no PSM. So, with non-linear power delivery, you need to know what you are doing, especially in the wet.
In poor conditions the turbo could beat a GT2.
If the road was very rough, the softer turbo suspension could also help.

GT2 could come in comfort or clubsport spec. If you were going to get one instead of a turbo, then I saw no reason not to have the CS.

In a straight line, the extra acceleration is noticeable, but not that massive. The GT2 will edge ahead. I don't know how much but a car length or two by 100 would seem reasonable.
Handling is better on a circuit, but it would be hard to quantify. In any case it is more largely affected by confidence and driving ability.

GT2 is harder to drive than a GT3.
However, if you were expert in both, then the GT2 should be quicker. But it will depend on the circuit.
A tight twisty little b'stard would favour the 3, due to higher corner speed, lower weight and smoother power delivery (say like Monaco). But a good GT circuit, like perhaps Le Mans, would favour the 2.
2 has a higher top speed and more acceleration, if you can use them.

If you modify both of them, then the 3 gets a bit more power and better handling, but the 2 can just have silly amounts of power.
650bhp+ (RUF or 9ff) and over 220mph top speed will beat the 3 with a few of Manthey bits on most circuits, if you can control it.

TTS was around 101K and last GT2 were about 135K I think.

More interesting is whether a 993 GT2 is better than a 996 GT2? Aside from the depreciation stakes that is.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In comfort spec the GT2 is not that much differnt to a turbo.
Even in CS guise, it is not stripped, although you can't miss the cross braced roll cage and bucket seats, nor the fire extenguisher behind the passengers knees.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Quote: Originally posted by Stuart Martin on 29 November 2006

More interesting is whether a 993 GT2 is better than a 996 GT2? Aside from the depreciation stakes that is.


interesting point...........

IIRC the 993 GT2 has actual racing pedigree and is truly stripped where the 996 was seen as more of a marketing / sale ploy than race effort in the eyes of many


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A properly setup GT2 can run rings around a GT3.

Whether it will is totally driver dependent.

I was at Oulton in March this year, and there was a properly setup (ie, geo had been done) GT2. Nothing could touch it. Through the corners, it was dead even (credit to the GT2 driver), but as soon as there was a straight, the GT3s were mobile chicanes.

The driver was clearly in control of his GT2 at the limit... something that can't be said for all GT2 owners.

The 996GT2 was quicker than the 993GT2 that was there, but it was very close.

Given the same driver in both a GT3 and GT2, however, and the GT3 will be much easier to drive and probably enable the driver to lap more consistently than in the GT2. The GT2 takes a lot more effort to pilot at the same pace as a GT3 simply because of the physical dynamics.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wise words, I recall how F1 fast both Guy and Henry were at the Ring a few years back in their 996 GT2's............

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still like the GT2 Twisted
...alot.... awesome car...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does look a monster the GT2, I guess finding a good one would be harder than finding a good GT3??

Anyone know how many there are?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cargraphics GT3 took the tuners GP this year, and that was against some of the most powerfull GT2's on the planet. That said if I ever see a good one out here in the middle east, I probably would swap.





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