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WillD
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your thoughts please because I am going round in circles..... Confused

After owning then selling a 911 SC about 3-4 years ago I am dying to get back into another 911 and I have pretty much decided on a 993 C2 manual 285bhp etc..

Started off thinking of spending abt 30k and know after seeing a few C2S I'm thinking mid 30's.... Of course a decent S is actually going to cost me more than 35 (from dealer as not many private around as far as I can see)so now I thinking decent C2 is financially more logical but of course........ it not an S and when has logic ever been a factor when buying choosing a 911 ...??

Is it really worth spending that extra for the S ??




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say no.

All you get with the C2S is the wider body, you don't get the brakes and other stuff like you do with the C4S.


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WillD
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, this is the way I'm starting to think.

I should be able to pick up a highly spec'd good mileage and history C2. Now I definately don't want the 4 do I ? (No the 2...)




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus the C2S doesn't handle as well Wink

2 or 4? Depends what you want this car for.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C2 is lighter and has a smaller frontal area, and lower drag so has the edge on performance. The C2S can be a bit twitchy on uneven surfaces. Its a nice dilemma to have but if I was thinking of spending 35k I would be looking at LHD 993 RS, but I guess that just opens up a whole can of worms...

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WillD
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks bosch, I had a feeling someone was going to come up with the LHD RS option but although I like the performance angle I think that the RS is little two basic for me as this will be my only car.

Noony, as I have said above will be using this car as a sole car and only at the evenings and weekdays. Probably trackday once or twice a year maybe..... but that isn't the main consideration. Just day to day driving and the odd long diststance when I try and avoid motorways anyway.

So its the 2C then..? Now got to keep looking at them all till right one comes along. Thinking Silver, Blue or Black (possy) loaded up and then usuall on history, mileage etc.

When on average do the clutches need replacing ? 60,000 ?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find where you said that Wink

If this is your only car, and would be used in all weather then I would have to recommend the 4.

60k is about right, but it depends how good/bad the previous owner was with his left foot.

Whatever you go after, I'll keep an eye out for you...


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James Ball
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you test-driven a 993RS? Worth sacrificing a few creature comforts I reckon.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

William, I went through a similar loop to you nine months ago and I'd say a C2 for all the reasons already stated - better performance (lighter, less frontal area), less to g wrong and, for most of the time, plenty of traction. Just have to be a bit cautious in the wet/snow.

I'd advise doing a track day early on to give you a feel for how much grip the car has and what it feels like when you'reon the edge of available grip. I guarantee you'll be amazed a) at just how much grip the C2 has and b) just how well and clearly it telegraphs when you're about to lose the back end. You'd have to be almost asleep to lose it.


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WillD
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone.

I may be able to get hold of a C4S new clutch etc. Silver with Blue leather Porsche and Specialist History don't know much else at the moment except ........ 75000mls - Quite high .... what do you think its worth ?

Is that milage too high when I can get a C2 or 4 with much less mileage and FPSH for I expect similar money ?


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James Jameson
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I chose a C2S over a C2, C4 or C4S for a number of reasons:

Prefer 2 wheel drive handling over 4;

2 wheel drive quicker than 4 in most situations, despite Porsche official figures;

I love the wide look of the S and 4S;

S gives you lower M030 or M033 suspension;

S gives you wider rear tyres - better grip;

with S you usually get sports seats (standard with S?) and often lighter 18" hollow spoke wheels;

S rarer.

(Incidentally, when new the 4S was about 7000 more expensive than the S, but there is little difference in used price now.)

For me, those were reasons why I paid more than a standard C2 and I guess this goes for others which is why they are still in the high 30s / low 40s.


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Simon W
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought the 'S' based on a love of the wide body look, but a hatred of the turbo insurance costs. Drive the car daily, and whilst perhaps it's not the most practical car for everyday, I have absolutely no regrets. My understanding is that the 4S is slightly slower due to the increased weight of teh 4 running gear and brakes. Is this true?

I't's the only Porsche I've owned, so perhaps not the best person to give advice, but I can't see you regretting the 'S'. Incidentally, my 'S' does not have the sports seats. I would've liked them.


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WillD
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Searching .... a few to look at will keep you updated.



Thanks for the comments.


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WillD
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the last 24 hours I have gone full circle again. 2 - 2S - 2 - 2S

Now I have seen an ad for a C2S 6speed FPSH 2 Owners. I need to view it obviously but it sounds great ... cherished etc. Then I start thinking about the price differential between the C2 and C2S and the comments about the handling being not as good.

On the other hand the "S" looks are doing it for me especially in Silver with full grey leather (Dash and doors) and silver dials. It doesn't have sports seats though.

Did the 2S have 18" wheels as standard ? I thought yes.

I should be getting some photos sent tonight, assuming its all mint what do you think it should be worth (Private sale) ?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the mileage? I would pay no more than 35k for a C2S.

18" wheels are not standard on the 2S.


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WillD
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

52000mls it has 18" wheels

That price was the max I was thinking at a push although think the market is strong at the moment (for sellers).


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will

Go for it and buy a 2S, it will look the business and to be honest, how much weight difference are we talking about and who do you know who can drive a 911 anywhere near its limit! There is more than enough power in either of the cars mentioned.

Don't get caught in the weight/speed hype they all perform well especially the RS (we all know that). If its looks and power you are after the 2S has both. If you go for the 2 you will still be thinking the 2s looks better (WIDER)

Go, buy and enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2S, you will never look back. You get what you pay for!!

Cheers



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WillD
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I flew to Edinburgh last Saturday - liked what I saw :

993 2S - 97' - Arctic Siver - Grey Leather - A/C - S/R - Leather Dash (around dials) - Factory Silver dials - Factory single CD player - 6speed. Body is "S" standard - 2 owners - FPSH.......

I came to terms on a price subject to PPI and new tyres (see other thread).

OPC Edinburgh inspected yesterday and found only the things I found or was made aware of and its all ok. They feel the cluth is ok.

I was planning to collect it tomorrow but probably Friday morning now as needs the rear rubber changed....

Thanks so far for all the help etc.



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clear lenses + sliver look the biz. Enjoy!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Phil..... I'm getting impatient now, just want to go and get it and every hour I wait the airflight goes up. The seller is using a friend of his to get the tyres done and he's waiting for confirmation that they have arrived.

I've waited long enough now so an extra day.........


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