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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was looking at going for a 964 for its more modern look and abs etc but that engine with the leaks is making me look at 89s, when did porsche start galvanisng the body panels and are there many interior diferences with 911s and 964s.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post 1976, all are galvanised. Don't let the odd leak put you off, it's nothing that can't be fixed. On the inside, I believe they're really not that different.




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Minor differences on the inside. Dash etc all very similar. The main difference from the inside point of view is that the AC works better in the 964s.

On the subject of leaky 964s, all generations of 911 have their Achilles Heels. Pre-'76s rust, SCs pull head studs, Carrera 3.2s have valve-wear problems, 964s had some leaking problems (but should have been fixed under warantee), 993s have wiring loom problems etc etc. No doubt, the 964 had its fair share but they have all been identified and should have been fixed on any 964 you buy today. Just make sure you know what those potential problems are and find a nice car which has had them sorted. Then enjoy the last of the classic-looking 911s complete with "proper" suspension and 250bhp.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lee,

I went from 1979 911 SC to 1991 964 cab (with a bit of a break in between) so I cant speak for the later 911's but here are a few obvious differences I found:

1/ Better gearbox 2/ ABS 3/ Better clutch action particularly when caught in traffic. 4/ Better ventilation 5/ Tail end brutality removed (I'll probably be banned from the board for that one as many felt it removed the essence of 911).

The old SC was my first love and therefore special but I was often spotted in traffic jams, car pulled to the side fo the road, with me on the pavement clubbing life and blood back into my left foot, such was the old clutch action. Also imagine my surpise and delight when discovering that the 'round switch thing on the handbrake console' referred to by Keith in his posting of 27 october, turned out to be the on/off switch to the toaster concealed in the dash board. A highly innovative extra from zuffenhausen but impractical as there was no way to keep the footwell free of breadcrumbs. The 964 improved on that dramatically by turning the toaster into a much more efficient de-mist/ventilation system that greatly helped clear vision on rainy days (11 of the 12 months in this dear country of ours).

Maybe I was lucky but in the 5 years that I owned my 964, I was a leak free chap.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are two very good guides for 964s that I have come across on the web:

http://www.pistonheads.com/porsche/default.asp?storyId=5869

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http://www.porsche964.co.uk/rev_rep/911pw.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2002 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The September issue of EVO magazine had an interesting buyers guide for 964's.

Is the car for everyday use or just a weekend toy for the occasional blast? In my mind more fun can be had in a 3.2 - a much more demanding car to drive, which will take more taming but ultimately be more rewarding. However, if I were to use one as my only form of transport on a daily basis I'd have to go for the 964, as it's a much better all rounder.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seen a 90 c2 Cab red with leather at 15,995 looks ok but after scum tried taking badges and removing rear badge he offered it me for 13500, good price?

what do i need to look for within the service history



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a very reasonable price to me. Too reasonable maybe? In particular look for evidence of engine work - by this mileage there's a good chance it will have had a top end rebuild - or be due for one. Make sure the seller has bill to back up this if it's been done. Also 964's have a dual mass flywheel, which can be extremely problematic. There should be evidence of this being replaced.

Many will disagree, but a fully stamped service book only tells you the car's had the minimum work done at each service, for example oil & filters. Much more useful is a pile of receipts detailing all other work done.

Unless you mechanically minded and know what you're looking at DO NOT buy without having the car inspected by a reputable Porsche specialist (see in the back of 911 & porsche world for people offering this service). it may cost you a few bob but may save you a fortune in the long run.

I bought my car without a Porsche Service history (& consequently got it cheaper than if it had one). However, the car came with an enormous pile of reciepts from his local Porsche specialist (almost to the value of what I gave for the car!), and it was clear he'd never skimped on anything.

Just don't let your heart rule your head, and don't rush into anything.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee

The website links I posted above will tell you all you neec to know in terms of what to look for. With regards to service history you should look for:

1) Distributor venting kit fitted and distributor belts replaced

2) Dual mass flywheel and clutch replaced

3) cylinder head oil leaks fixed

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

good stuff, cheers

has 85000 on the clock so hopfully main bits done, is there anything to look for on the front wishbones to tell if been replaced, read somewhere about this, what are the biggest problems money wise

this is the beauty of the net, if anyones interested a good subaru site (previous car - impreza turbo)
www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs




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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

noticed a thin flexi pipe coming out of a hard black plastic section (sorry about this but new to this engine setup, completley lost me when lifted engine cover) this was to the left of engine bay, pipe going down somewhere, is this the venting kit?

13,500 does seem resonable tho


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There should be two flexible pipes. Here is a picture:



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Edit: Damn picture didn't work. I'll try again


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorted found the pic your trying

can only remember one, on the pic its the left


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee

I have heard of dual mass clutches lasting 100,000 miles so you can't assume it has been replaced. For that matter youc an't assume any of the remedial work has been done, but you would hope so.

Don't know about the front wishbones I'm afraid.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee

The vent kit may not have been fitted. No big deal really. Just need to get it fitted and change the belts( only a couple of hundred quid for the lot I think). You should do this asap though if you buy the car, and use it to get a few quid off the asking price.

Please get a PPI done too. Where is this car?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And 13.5k seems a reasonable price to me. It is RHD isn't it?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2002 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RHD and FSH although not seen history yet, 4 owners, seats look excellent cond black piped red, carpet looked like it needed cleaning, not been steam cleaned anywhere so i'll look for any oil next time, seemed a little high at the front tho, tyres were of different make! elec seats windows worked ok



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm in the process of getting a 964 RS. Saw a very nice one yesterday in fact. Am debating with myself about getting a PPI done. It was pretty much flawless apart from needing new tyres and disks - which add up to a pretty penny!

On the car you looked at, it sounds like the condition of the seats marries up with the fairly low mileage claim. However it also sounds like the owner hasn't been the most devoted - non-matching tyres is a BIG no-no. And hasn't bothered setting the suspension up properly by the sound of it either. Buying a car at the cheaper end of the spectrum I suppose you are going to find these things. It is obviously up to you as to whether you risk it or pay a bit more and find one that has been loved and cherished. Personally I would go the second route but that is just me. (My budget for a 911 has done from 10k to 15k to 25k !!!)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2002 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James you can have mine for just the 15k lol.

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If you had a 964 RS for 15k I'd jump on it!! Wink


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