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77szymon
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:19 pm    Post subject: Warm engine start problem - SOLVED..... Reply with quote

Long story short, some time ago (months) my car develop problem with warm/hot engine start, sometimes was ok sometimes NOT it was look like weak battery. I took my Porsche on holiday fantastic ride... but the problem began to appear more often and just before my planed trip back to UK it turned out that it was the engine's fault to be more precise-engine on my car decide to seized.

At fault crankshaft bearings.

I have been told 100K miles and everything above is just luck.

NOT A FUN Sad

Luckily for my wallet I manage to find a Porsche/BMW M-Power magician who repairs and improves these engines. Overall cost of rebuild with night out in Krakow £4000, NEW-nikasil cylinder liners, pistons+audi rings (apparently better material), crankshaft bearings I haven't been told exactly but also better material has been used.
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77szymon
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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deMort
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New liners and pistons i can see .. it's the price you paid .. Surprised

My god .. well done if that was the in out plus repair cost !!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deMort wrote:
New liners and pistons i can see .. it's the price you paid .. Surprised

My god .. well done if that was the in out plus repair cost !!


Polish labour rates?
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77szymon
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes all in, it was cheaper and no warranty if I only send out engine, so I drop my car at garage Saturday morning and collect it on Saturday evening next week 1 year warranty on engine, overall I'm happy with price time and service from garage thumbsup also Krakow Is amazing city.

edit.

forgot to tell - as a surprise engine 116K miles and no bore scoring
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1999 BMW e36 328i Cabrio - still not finished project.....
2011 Mercedes S350L - SOLD
2004 Audi a2 1.4 tdi - I can't stress enough how good these cars are
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine did this on Sunday, Stalled it whilst trying to manoeuvre in a car park and doing 3 things at once ! Went to turn it over and it sounded like it was being dragged through the bowels of a ship daubed in treacle, 3rd time it caught, but it was laboured ! Very laboured ! And sounded metalicky and grated...

If that hasn’t got you using your imagination nothing will,

Any way, maybe I should stop thinking Bore scoring and start anticipating crank shaft bearing collapse 😩
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can say ..

The engine cases have been professionally shot blasted and painted ..

You have new liners that look the same as any new ones that have been replaced that i have ever seen ..

You have new pistons ..

crank i can't say but from the pictures then it seems a very professional job ..

Quite frankly i'm amazed at the cost of all this work and a weeks turn around ..

You won't get that in this country .. not even close .

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I feel a mention of the firm's name is in order ..
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I don't come here to represent where i work but to help out .. and this garage is certainly doing that .

IMHO of course Smile

EDIT ..

Crank bearing seizure and a slow start is a little bit rare so not something to start thinking you have definitely got and worry over .
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK Dr, thanks 🙏

Same time next month ? Maybe something wheel bearing related ?

Oooooh ooooooh ! Just remembered I got shot by a stone in the NS condenser on Sun
👹

Car started making a terrible whining whirring sound, any way,,,, at risk of derailing this post and the excellent work carried out within !!!!
Maybe we could all start using this place ??
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4Silver wrote:
OK Dr, thanks 🙏

Same time next month ? Maybe something wheel bearing related ?

Oooooh ooooooh ! Just remembered I got shot by a stone in the NS condenser on Sun
👹

Car started making a terrible whining whirring sound, any way,,,, at risk of derailing this post and the excellent work carried out within !!!!
Maybe we could all start using this place ??


Come again ????
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I e started a separate thread, condenser has hole in it !
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's impressive work and even more impressive cost.
That'll be 3x more here.

It'd be worth trailering a car over there and back.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4Silver wrote:
I e started a separate thread, condenser has hole in it !


I'll tell you what .. get two other people that agree with you and don't want me to answer any more questions on this site and i'll happily spend the 16 hours per week doing something else instead of trying to help out here .

Challenge set .
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4Silver wrote:
OK Dr, thanks 🙏

Same time next month ? Maybe something wheel bearing related ?

Oooooh ooooooh ! Just remembered I got shot by a stone in the NS condenser on Sun
👹

Car started making a terrible whining whirring sound, any way,,,, at risk of derailing this post and the excellent work carried out within !!!!
Maybe we could all start using this place ??


I have no idea what that post meant either deMort, maybe C4Silver would care to clarify for us all Question
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What’s that supposed to mean ? Who said they didn’t want you to answer any more questions on this site ? I certainly didn’t ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back on topic, wow £4k for a partial ? rebuild and turned around in a week, that is some pretty good going 77szymon Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kurlykris wrote:
C4Silver wrote:
OK Dr, thanks 🙏

Same time next month ? Maybe something wheel bearing related ?

Oooooh ooooooh ! Just remembered I got shot by a stone in the NS condenser on Sun
👹

Car started making a terrible whining whirring sound, any way,,,, at risk of derailing this post and the excellent work carried out within !!!!
Maybe we could all start using this place ??


I have no idea what that post meant either deMort, maybe C4Silver would care to clarify for us all Question


What I meant by that was quite clear to me but I can see how that can look,

I read the OP’s post and thought 💀!
If the bore scoring doesn’t get me I bet this ***** does, the bearings I mean.

I put my concern on there, you replied to previous post and rounded it off at the bottom with an anecdotal don’t worry snippet, I took that as a professional opinion and added the praying hands, I commented on the wheel bearing issue tongue in cheek as in it’ll be something else that I’m worried about next month, as in I’ll be back to see you soon,

There was no malice intended and apologise if any was portrayed, I then realised the noisy air on could be diagnosed ONLY because I knew that you would know the answer, as in most threads I read where there is a fault if I read and you have posted I generally read up to the point where you diagnose the fault and think there ! Nailed it !

A bit like having a Dr but for the car, I knew what I meant but can see how it came across differently ?

Apologies
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4Silver wrote:
What’s that supposed to mean ? Who said they didn’t want you to answer any more questions on this site ? I certainly didn’t ?


Your posts seems somewhat overly aggressive and an attempt to be disrespectful to what i saw as a fair comment to the OP ..

A 4K engine rebuild is pretty impressive ... you don't seem to think so .. hence the somewhat rambling answer .. a few beers perhaps .

I always stand by what i say and i always answer the OP directly so a comment seeming to put me down gets my back up .

Please bear in mind i have no reason to post here .. i do it to help out ..

I don't have a Porsche and never will have ..

Be careful or i WILL cross you off my christmas card list.

Kris is being the peacemaker bless him ..

Be careful what you say though .. i don't like being put down .


Edit ...

Crossed posts ..

its done so we will leave it at that Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank the lord for that, there was no malice intended there I can tell you, I took from your words at the bottom of the post all I needed to, I have asked you questions direct in other posts relating to work done within posts, I asked you because I know that you would know the answer, and that is good enough for me. As you say usually direct and concise !

The sarcasm in there was intended towards me as I say it’ll be something else soon, And I whole heartedly agree with the 4K !
That’s why I put maybe we could go there, as Kris says, trailer it there, but I actually thought about staying for the whole week ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank the lord for that, there was no malice intended there I can tell you, I took from your words at the bottom of the post all I needed to, I have asked you questions direct in other posts relating to work done within posts, I asked you because I know that you would know the answer, and that is good enough for me. As you say usually direct and concise !

The sarcasm in there was intended towards me as I say it’ll be something else soon, And I whole heartedly agree with the 4K !
That’s why I put maybe we could go there, as Kris says, trailer it there, but I actually thought about staying for the whole week ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st- I get lost in all above so no comments...

kurlykris wrote:
Back on topic, wow £4k for a partial ? rebuild and turned around in a week, that is some pretty good going 77szymon Grin


not sure what do you mean by partial but what I can tell crankshaft is old, luckily for me it happened on parking, reversing slowly and engine just turn off itself I did try to move with huge spanner and was rock solid.

Time and money outstanding.

deMort yes engine has been covered in protective paint, you are amazing!!!!!


C4Silver wrote:
That’s why I put maybe we could go there, as Kris says, trailer it there, but I actually thought about staying for the whole week ?


plenty to do for a week: Krakow, Wieliczka, Oswiecim, Zakopane, Giewont only if weather is ok, and Morskie Oko
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