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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: PS speedster 911 crash, flips on roof, driver survives ! Reply with quote

via Halstead Fire Station

We were called 6th August 2019 at 11:51am to make a road and vehicle safe following a road traffic collision on the A131 at L.Mapplestead. On arrival at the scene the vehicle was on its roof blocking the road. The road was shut for some time but now re-opened.

The driver somehow got out of the vehicle with what seemed minor injuries. First aid was given by us whilst we waited for the ambulance to arrive and the driver taken to hospitals as a precaution. No other vehicles were involved.

Surprised Surprised Surprised Driver is ok
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no, looks like a nasty bit of straight road.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes a nasty bit of straight dry road with no one else or nothing on it Question WTF happened, I can only think the embankment hedgerow jumped out or an animal
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how the heck do you get away from that with a few scrapes.
Unless you were only 2 feet tall Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hamster75 wrote:
Yes a nasty bit of straight dry road with no one else or nothing on it Question WTF happened, I can only think the embankment hedgerow jumped out or an animal


maybe lost control/concentration, went a bit up the tall side verge and tipped over?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch! Hope the driver makes a full recovery.

Makes you think about a roll bar considering the cabin intrusion by the roof.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the driver was an old boy who got a tad giddy. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As said above - lets hope everyone involved is ok.

You do occasionally see incidents on straight stretches, often when people are overtaking or come out of a bend and give it full throttle and lose control....

Am surprised how flat the roof section is.....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reported to be Paul Stephens driving his speedster build .. see posts later on

http://www.ddk-online.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=21211&start=22395
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kingb4 wrote:
As said above - lets hope everyone involved is ok.

You do occasionally see incidents on straight stretches, often when people are overtaking or come out of a bend and give it full throttle and lose control....

Am surprised how flat the roof section is.....

it was a cabriolet? yes? surely a coupe would not crush like that? Surprised
just researched and apparently this one
https://germancarsforsaleblog.com/tag/paul-stephens
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was a Speedster rep then no roll cage. The speedster screen bolts in from either side and had no strength at all. I had one for over ten years you could grab the header rail and move the whole screen easily Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad i have a none sunroof coupe Cool Dance Tap
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

diverzeusy wrote:
Kingb4 wrote:


Am surprised how flat the roof section is.....

it was a cabriolet? yes? surely a coupe would not crush like that? Surprised
just researched and apparently this one
https://germancarsforsaleblog.com/tag/paul-stephens
Ouch indeed Splat


Hadnt realised it was a speedster replica. It certainly makes you think....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If, as i read, it was based on a targa with the roof removed then it sounds seriously dodgy to me. How would that even be allowed on the road without strengthening?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just down the road from Paul Stephens Porsche

Their retro 911 speedster per below

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It was Paul driving - he had the foresight to duck as the car went over. Lucky man.


a very lucky man


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If it was a Speedster rep then no roll cage. The speedster screen bolts in from either side and had no strength at all. I had one for over ten years you could grab the header rail and move the whole screen easily Surprised


So removing the targa roll over protection hoop for this conversion, then this happens wack might want to stay clear of this retro experience
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, guys, are we suggesting that open top cars should be banned, as you might be killed if you roll it...!!!

Want to feel really vulnerable... try driving a car you can touch the road from while sitting in the drivers seat and the wheel nuts of buses and HGV`s are spinning at ear level and can be quite close by....

My mum always pointed out that the road is a dangerous place to play, which is not well understood when cocooned in your digitally controlled box making all sorts of decisions relative to your driving experience and your safety... As an old man I can tell you it is hard to get giddy with all that is going on all around when driving an old and very manual sports car when all around may be half asleep.. Old
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't ban open top cars, but making an open top car involves more than taking most of the roof off a closed car. The design idea of this car looks irresponsible to me. I wonder if potential buyers are informed of the potential safety issues. Not that it matters much for this particular car...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MC, I could not agree more, removing a hard top and creating a soft top would be likely to create structural issues that could introduce a degree of chassis flex, though I suspect a cabrio or perhaps a Targa had a measure of reinforcement built into the chassis by Porsche when compared to a coupé.. I wonder how much strength is built in to a genuine Speedster screen and how much extra protection if any it might provide in such an unfortunate situation....

I am not sure I would be a supporter of halting the ability of folk to modify their cars, be they professional or not... for modifying machinery has been a very much enjoyed pastime for many folk over many years. I wonder how many "kit" cars and bitsas are out there, some things of beauty, others abortions...?

I think there are systems in place to try to keep dangerous machines from being used on the road, though to go further in the UK I suspect the question would be how far is too far... All vehicles to be kept to manufacturers standards as per TUV regs in places like Germany (?) and perhaps only worked upon by trained and certified personel in certified premisess that pass all environmental and H&S requirements...etc.etc.etc.

Boy am I glad I grew up in a very different world... Smile

BTW, I hope the poor chap is OK it would have been a very nasty shock.. Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MC, I could not agree more, removing a hard top and creating a soft top would be likely to create structural issues that could introduce a degree of chassis flex, though I suspect a cabrio or perhaps a Targa had a measure of reinforcement built into the chassis by Porsche when compared to a coupé.. I wonder how much strength is built in to a genuine Speedster screen and how much extra protection if any it might provide in such an unfortunate situation....

I am not sure I would be a supporter of halting the ability of folk to modify their cars, be they professional or not... for modifying machinery has been a very much enjoyed pastime for many folk over many years. I wonder how many "kit" cars and bitsas are out there, some things of beauty, others abortions...?

I think there are systems in place to try to keep dangerous machines from being used on the road, though to go further in the UK I suspect the question would be how far is too far... All vehicles to be kept to manufacturers standards as per TUV regs in places like Germany (?) and perhaps only worked upon by trained and certified personel in certified premisess that pass all environmental and H&S requirements...etc.etc.etc.

Boy am I glad I grew up in a very different world... Smile

BTW, I hope the poor chap is OK it would have been a very nasty shock.. Surprised


which is the key point for these retro mod conversion, dont forget to upgrade the crash protection as those original screen are made of cheese



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect in terms of ever growing expectations in relation to safety of any kind, that ultimately it has to be down to educating yourself as to whatever activity you are buying into..?

Whenever I jumped on to my m/cycle, I fully UNDERSTOOD that I was at a higher degree of risk than when driving my 911. Today in my Morgan I know that that I am more at risk than I was when driving my old SC some 18 years ago or so, should I expect it to be otherwise...?

I remember watching the auto erecting roll over bar on the Mercedes SL`s in tests quite some time back, but I suspect the car used in the Top Gear vid was manufactured after the SL Mercs I refer to, more recent manufacture is no guarantee of extra safety over that found in an older car in every case, thus I suspect it is best to educate YOURSELF if you are likely to be at an increased level of danger relative to YOUR choices.

I suspect modifying cars does not make them new cars or necessarily require them to be tested to conform to whatever regs might be in place for new cars..? I believe if you want to register a "new" kit car for road use even if it uses old car parts, it has to fit the criteria for a new car of that type..?

I also suspect if you create some sort of "special" call it a resto mod or whatever and just keep it registered and insured as whatever the donor was initially registered as... then I suspect no one will be questioning it`s existence.. However if you have an accident and have not informed the insurance company of the changes you made to create a vehicle other than that which it was registered as.. then things can get sticky for sure, even if all you did was to fit the wrong grade of tyre, or the rim flew off one of your ying tong alloy wheels. Further to that if you sell that modified car as that which it was registered as originally, then I suspect there could be issues with the buyer if he finds out that which the machine was advertised as turns out to be a false description...hmm..?

As for not worrying to much about mere details....

As an old friend used to say... it is of no real importance.... until it becomes somewhat important ...at which time it can then become ALL important..!!

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