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Edit to add relevent document download links:
Brochures:
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Black Edition Brochure - UK
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Black Edition Price List - UK
2010 987 Porsche Boxster - Brochure - UK
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Exclusive Brochure - UK
Owners Handbook:
2009 987 Porsche Boxste - Owners Manual - USA
Service and Technical Information:
2009 987 Porsche Boxster Cayman - Service and Technical Information SIT
2009 987-2 Porsche Boxster - PET (July 2019)
nb can be downloaded direct from Porsche Classic (for latest version) from Click Here
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So now that the cat is out of the bag :grin: its time to start another ownership journal :thumb:
Brief background, I've recently sold my immaculate 981 Boxster GTS back to porsche. It was for 2.5 years simply one of the best cars I have ever driven. The emotion of driving them is hard to even match even when you consider super car territory. As a package it was perfect.......... that was the problem :dont know: .... for me it was not a perfect hobby car, it was too good, too clean.....there was simply nothing I could do but drive it whenever I got the chance. Thats not a hobby car to me :hand:
A hobby car needs to be more than just a driving machine, it has to allow you to get personal, to add something of yourself to it, to put something into it. The 981 was just too new and too good out of the box to allow that.
So it went, 2 weeks ago and left a massive void to be filled.
So I settled down to the long haul, the joy of searching for the next car (I'm being serious, I genuinely enjoy the hunt)....... it took me 2 weeks :floor:
Part of that was helped of course as one of my criteria was to stay porsche (I really could not identify anything better to meet my needs) and of course its a brand I know well. The rest was fate ie the right car at the right time.
So my logic......
- I need a convertible in my life
- I wanted to stay Porsche
- I could not get another 981 after having one of the best of the bunch IMHO
- I could not get a (less than) normal 718, simply due to the awful engine :roll:
- I can't get a 718 Spyder anytime soon and even then would have to pay overs which I refuse to do
- A 911 has to be coupe for me
- So that meant looking backwards.......
- I don't need another air cooled in the garage
- I still can't live with a 986 interior
- I could not live with the worries of a 987-1
So that left only one choice, easy really........it had to be a 987-2
:judge:
After driving quite a few over the past 2 weeks (as it was one model I had never driven before) I decided I wanted to go back to manual, the PDK-1 which was launched with the 987-2 is just now where near as sharp or quick as in the 981GTS and each time I test drove one, even with Sport Chrono it just frustrated the hell out of me (makes me realise just how good the PDK was in the 981).....
So my basic search was for a car with....
- manual
- 3.4S
- Sport Chrono
- PSE (did nobody ever spec that on a 987, it is simply awesome)
- Nav (I know its old and my phone can do better but the nav unit just looks better and most have it so why get one without)
- Sport Steering wheel (still one of the best steering wheels you can get)
- Full leather (yes it does make a difference)
- 'nice wheels"
- PASM (its shocking in sport mode but I can get that plug in module thingy to sort it
- BOSE
- Heated seats
- full climate (yes lots of them don;t have it lol)
So common as muck, not.
OK some of them can be retrofitted but at a cost. I'm after a cheapish toy I can play with........I was not looking for a garage queen, just a good honest, well specced car for a decent price. I even decided I wanted mileage to ideally be between 40-60k so I was not worried about putting miles on and no reason not to drive it :roll:
I nearly pulled the trigger on a £6k underpriced early 987-2 well specced PDK last week (price matched wrongly to 987-1 cars by a large generic dealership chain) but I decided I could not live with the PDK and so value lost out (I could have flipped it for an easy £2k profit), it sold the day after I pulled out. It did convince me manual was the right decision though :drive:
Then fate stepped in. A special edition Black Edition sold a week or so ago, then came back up for sale. It had a dreamy spec but high end of the mileage scale for me (63k). I decided to go and see it.
First impression was it was not prepped to OPC / good porsche indy standards, I sniffed a bargain though......
The little easy to fix things that get neglected but put off potential purchasers where there ie black shows off all the swirls, especially under showroom lighting but (with paint thickness meter to hand) it was all original factory apart from front bumper refresh. It was simply an 8 year old car with 60k miles that needs some TLC to the paintwork, plenty of scope for that on original paint thickness.
The wheel hubs are rusty, the wheel bolts rusty, all easy fixes but look naff in the showroom. The wheels (very expensive 987 spyder wheels) where freshly refreshed to a good standard and where shed in N rated tyres. These where newish but pre dealership and always a good sign that the previous owner did not skimp on maintenance.
The interior shows the miles on the drivers seat, again scope for that to be addressed but the rest is immaculate. You had to see under the layer of age that just builds up over time and a quick clean won't remove but I can tell its in great condition in there. It has the full leather pack which is rare but makes a massive difference to the interior. Opportunity knocking to get the interior factory fresh just with some TLC and drivers seat bolster refresh.
Otherwise the car is spot on, genuine.
This was all confirmed by the comprehensive history folder I was left for an hour to mull through. So many dealerships bin these know due to GDPR privacy rules but every document had carefully been depersonalised with ownership details being marked out and then retained.
The car has the perfect provenance for its mileage. It was bought where Zingari lives in an affluent part of the North West, I knew things where looking up :grin:
The 987-2 S cars had the then new DFI engines fitted which require 2 year / 20,000 mile servicing. This car had done >40,000 miles in two years, serviced by OPC wilmslow annually based on mileage, perfect. All the signs of a real car nut based on the spec and use as a daily for the first couple of years of its life. The rest of its life has shown a nice spread of mileage ie constant use but not excessive. It retained a perfect OPC and known indy history (autofarm). Included in the history file was a full Autofarm report from 2 years / 10,000 miles ago. The selling dealership, depsite having their own mechanics had sent the car to the local OPC for a service. All in all a perfect provenance for an 8 year old 60k mile car.
So out we went for a test drive.......
Just lovely, the gearbox compared to the PDK was night and day, the sound with PES, it simply has the 981GTS DNA. The Black Editions also got the 987 Spyder power boost. Just like a 981GTS the mapping just feels different, its not just about a few extra BHP. I was concentrating on not smiling too much with the salesman :grin:
Then it went horribly wrong ..... Check engine light and lumpy engine. We pulled the car over, turned it off and restarted. The lumpyness remained. Now I had already seen that the car had a spark plug change whilst at the OPC service the week before and I knew these engines are very reliable and that a common problem now that they are getting older are failing coil packs.... it just hit me stright away that this felt like a simple coil pack failure.
The car got recovered and the sensible head on me said leave it until its sorted...... so I drove home
:sleepy:
I left it 2 days and called them. The car had passed a compression test with flying colours, they where waiting for replacement coil packs....... I arranged to visit again to see the car.
I knew the car had sold the week before and come back up for sale. A recent MOT confirmed the story (ie they would have MOT'd it as their policy is to sell with a full 12 month MOT on the car). I got the full story out of them, the car had sold to a gentleman who pulled out when due for collection as he wanted new brakes fitted and they would not agree (the brakes are fine for another year at least, they just look crap due to the hubs and rusty wheel bolts / faded porsche crests don;t help).
I was a cash buyer, they had a car with a problem, they wanted rid :grin: I went for the jugular :bandit: Now at the end of the day they where not going to give it away but 1 hour of hard negotiating, escalting to the main manager got us to where I needed to be :judge:
So the car was paid for on condition that the engine issue is sorted.
I don't have it yet, so things can still go wrong :wack: but I couldn't wait to let the cat out the bag, it takes a lot now for an old(ish) codger like me to get excited about a car, especially one thats 8 years old and has £60k miles on it, but it just feels right whereas something about the 981GTS as a hobby car did not.
So this is whats joining the 993 in the hobby stable (hopefully next week)......
Brochures:
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Black Edition Brochure - UK
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Black Edition Price List - UK
2010 987 Porsche Boxster - Brochure - UK
2011 987 Porsche Boxster - Exclusive Brochure - UK
Owners Handbook:
2009 987 Porsche Boxste - Owners Manual - USA
Service and Technical Information:
2009 987 Porsche Boxster Cayman - Service and Technical Information SIT
2009 987-2 Porsche Boxster - PET (July 2019)
nb can be downloaded direct from Porsche Classic (for latest version) from Click Here
*******************************************************
So now that the cat is out of the bag :grin: its time to start another ownership journal :thumb:
Brief background, I've recently sold my immaculate 981 Boxster GTS back to porsche. It was for 2.5 years simply one of the best cars I have ever driven. The emotion of driving them is hard to even match even when you consider super car territory. As a package it was perfect.......... that was the problem :dont know: .... for me it was not a perfect hobby car, it was too good, too clean.....there was simply nothing I could do but drive it whenever I got the chance. Thats not a hobby car to me :hand:
A hobby car needs to be more than just a driving machine, it has to allow you to get personal, to add something of yourself to it, to put something into it. The 981 was just too new and too good out of the box to allow that.
So it went, 2 weeks ago and left a massive void to be filled.
So I settled down to the long haul, the joy of searching for the next car (I'm being serious, I genuinely enjoy the hunt)....... it took me 2 weeks :floor:
Part of that was helped of course as one of my criteria was to stay porsche (I really could not identify anything better to meet my needs) and of course its a brand I know well. The rest was fate ie the right car at the right time.
So my logic......
- I need a convertible in my life
- I wanted to stay Porsche
- I could not get another 981 after having one of the best of the bunch IMHO
- I could not get a (less than) normal 718, simply due to the awful engine :roll:
- I can't get a 718 Spyder anytime soon and even then would have to pay overs which I refuse to do
- A 911 has to be coupe for me
- So that meant looking backwards.......
- I don't need another air cooled in the garage
- I still can't live with a 986 interior
- I could not live with the worries of a 987-1
So that left only one choice, easy really........it had to be a 987-2
:judge:
After driving quite a few over the past 2 weeks (as it was one model I had never driven before) I decided I wanted to go back to manual, the PDK-1 which was launched with the 987-2 is just now where near as sharp or quick as in the 981GTS and each time I test drove one, even with Sport Chrono it just frustrated the hell out of me (makes me realise just how good the PDK was in the 981).....
So my basic search was for a car with....
- manual
- 3.4S
- Sport Chrono
- PSE (did nobody ever spec that on a 987, it is simply awesome)
- Nav (I know its old and my phone can do better but the nav unit just looks better and most have it so why get one without)
- Sport Steering wheel (still one of the best steering wheels you can get)
- Full leather (yes it does make a difference)
- 'nice wheels"
- PASM (its shocking in sport mode but I can get that plug in module thingy to sort it
- BOSE
- Heated seats
- full climate (yes lots of them don;t have it lol)
So common as muck, not.
OK some of them can be retrofitted but at a cost. I'm after a cheapish toy I can play with........I was not looking for a garage queen, just a good honest, well specced car for a decent price. I even decided I wanted mileage to ideally be between 40-60k so I was not worried about putting miles on and no reason not to drive it :roll:
I nearly pulled the trigger on a £6k underpriced early 987-2 well specced PDK last week (price matched wrongly to 987-1 cars by a large generic dealership chain) but I decided I could not live with the PDK and so value lost out (I could have flipped it for an easy £2k profit), it sold the day after I pulled out. It did convince me manual was the right decision though :drive:
Then fate stepped in. A special edition Black Edition sold a week or so ago, then came back up for sale. It had a dreamy spec but high end of the mileage scale for me (63k). I decided to go and see it.
First impression was it was not prepped to OPC / good porsche indy standards, I sniffed a bargain though......
The little easy to fix things that get neglected but put off potential purchasers where there ie black shows off all the swirls, especially under showroom lighting but (with paint thickness meter to hand) it was all original factory apart from front bumper refresh. It was simply an 8 year old car with 60k miles that needs some TLC to the paintwork, plenty of scope for that on original paint thickness.
The wheel hubs are rusty, the wheel bolts rusty, all easy fixes but look naff in the showroom. The wheels (very expensive 987 spyder wheels) where freshly refreshed to a good standard and where shed in N rated tyres. These where newish but pre dealership and always a good sign that the previous owner did not skimp on maintenance.
The interior shows the miles on the drivers seat, again scope for that to be addressed but the rest is immaculate. You had to see under the layer of age that just builds up over time and a quick clean won't remove but I can tell its in great condition in there. It has the full leather pack which is rare but makes a massive difference to the interior. Opportunity knocking to get the interior factory fresh just with some TLC and drivers seat bolster refresh.
Otherwise the car is spot on, genuine.
This was all confirmed by the comprehensive history folder I was left for an hour to mull through. So many dealerships bin these know due to GDPR privacy rules but every document had carefully been depersonalised with ownership details being marked out and then retained.
The car has the perfect provenance for its mileage. It was bought where Zingari lives in an affluent part of the North West, I knew things where looking up :grin:
The 987-2 S cars had the then new DFI engines fitted which require 2 year / 20,000 mile servicing. This car had done >40,000 miles in two years, serviced by OPC wilmslow annually based on mileage, perfect. All the signs of a real car nut based on the spec and use as a daily for the first couple of years of its life. The rest of its life has shown a nice spread of mileage ie constant use but not excessive. It retained a perfect OPC and known indy history (autofarm). Included in the history file was a full Autofarm report from 2 years / 10,000 miles ago. The selling dealership, depsite having their own mechanics had sent the car to the local OPC for a service. All in all a perfect provenance for an 8 year old 60k mile car.
So out we went for a test drive.......
Just lovely, the gearbox compared to the PDK was night and day, the sound with PES, it simply has the 981GTS DNA. The Black Editions also got the 987 Spyder power boost. Just like a 981GTS the mapping just feels different, its not just about a few extra BHP. I was concentrating on not smiling too much with the salesman :grin:
Then it went horribly wrong ..... Check engine light and lumpy engine. We pulled the car over, turned it off and restarted. The lumpyness remained. Now I had already seen that the car had a spark plug change whilst at the OPC service the week before and I knew these engines are very reliable and that a common problem now that they are getting older are failing coil packs.... it just hit me stright away that this felt like a simple coil pack failure.
The car got recovered and the sensible head on me said leave it until its sorted...... so I drove home
:sleepy:
I left it 2 days and called them. The car had passed a compression test with flying colours, they where waiting for replacement coil packs....... I arranged to visit again to see the car.
I knew the car had sold the week before and come back up for sale. A recent MOT confirmed the story (ie they would have MOT'd it as their policy is to sell with a full 12 month MOT on the car). I got the full story out of them, the car had sold to a gentleman who pulled out when due for collection as he wanted new brakes fitted and they would not agree (the brakes are fine for another year at least, they just look crap due to the hubs and rusty wheel bolts / faded porsche crests don;t help).
I was a cash buyer, they had a car with a problem, they wanted rid :grin: I went for the jugular :bandit: Now at the end of the day they where not going to give it away but 1 hour of hard negotiating, escalting to the main manager got us to where I needed to be :judge:
So the car was paid for on condition that the engine issue is sorted.
I don't have it yet, so things can still go wrong :wack: but I couldn't wait to let the cat out the bag, it takes a lot now for an old(ish) codger like me to get excited about a car, especially one thats 8 years old and has £60k miles on it, but it just feels right whereas something about the 981GTS as a hobby car did not.
So this is whats joining the 993 in the hobby stable (hopefully next week)......