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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:23 pm    Post subject: Sold my 997 - my thoughts on the 911 Reply with quote

I sold my 997 Gen2 C2 PDK Coupe today, having owned it for exactly one year, so I thought I would offer a few observations. Let me just say I'm a car fidget, meaning that I want to try lots of cars whilst the government allow free choice, and whilst I'm (fairly) fit and able. So I rarely keep cars for more than a year.

Right, firstly - this was the best driver's car I've ever had. More than fast enough, even with "only" 340 bhp, fantastic handling (set up by Center Gravity and it had Ohlins Road & Track), and I loved the PDK gearbox too.
Secondly I loved the looks. All 911's look great, and I think the 997 and 993 models are the prettiest of them all.
Thirdly it sounded good - even without the CGR sports exhaust I thought it was a lovely mechanical sound, especially at higher revs.
Finally and fourthly, I thought it was very well built, with a solid, quality feel to the cabin, great paintwork and no squeaks or rattles.

So what's not to like? One big thing and a couple of little issues. The little issues are tyre roar at motorway speeds, a rather firm ride around bumpy urban roads, and the standard ride height is way too high.

But the big negative was this: where I live (Southampton / Portsmouth) you simply cannot stretch a car's legs. Even a lovely road like the A32 is limited to 50 mph. If you do find a good road that isn't policed, it's so busy round here that you very soon end up stuck behind Brian in his Lexus pootling his way back from the garden centre, with a dozen similar cars in a convoy behind Brian so there's no way past.

Put simply: South East Hampshire is so congested that there's no point in having a fast car. And a Porsche 911 isn't a particularly good car to drive slowly. When Mrs COB and I retire to the country, I'll get another 911 - probably a 993 that you can enjoy at sensible speeds.

If it's OK I'll stay on this forum in the meantime - this really is the best motoring forum I've ever been on; very informative and friendly. If anyone's interested, my next car is a C63 AMG Merc estate (W204), simply because they won't let us have 6.2 V8 engines for very much longer. And because it's a great car to drive at modest speeds, and because it sounds EPIC.

Regards to all, Mike.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My neighbour has a C63 Estate for sale currently

Edit.....I'd submitted this post before I'd finished writing. I'll send you've PM
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad to hear the 997 had to go, but it sounds like you enjoyed the year anyway. Retire to the Dales, the roads around here were built for a 993, or any flavour of 911.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally get what you're saying re gridlock. It's exactly like that here further east on the south coast too

Only thing is that reason doesn't really justify going to a C63. Lovely car.... But you're going to have exactly the same problem!

Anyway I had an amg for 2 years and found the amg private lounge is a great forum. Lots of nice people and decent meets to go to. Make sure you sign up once you've got your car and chassis number. You won't be able too without a chassis number
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have a soft spot for AMGs. I fancy one for Euro trips. Just a bit put off by the limited top speed of most of them. Finding one with the AMG Driver Pack would sort it, but not proving easy.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for sharing your summary. FWIW many years ago, I let an E46 M3 go for many of the same reasons you've cited for moving on from the 997.

Re: the C63 replacement
The lure of a large v8, is a box I'd like to tick while I can aswell. Smile

I can appreciate it's likely to be a very different driving experience to the 997. However I suspect it's defining features, namely the power/torque of the v8 will mean you'll have the same issues you've cited for moving on from the 997.
If you can live with an older car, perhaps a C55 or an Audi s4/s6 might be worth trying to see if they have lower limits, & more scope for fun at sensible speeds.
Alternatively if you can't beat em… buy a lexus to waft to the garden centre yourself & an older Porsche for fun Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadly, chaps, you may be right about the C63 suffering from congested roads in the same way the Porsche did. We'll see I suppose. At least I will have scratched the V8 itch (again, I had a Monaro before).

I think in the end it's the roads, rather than the car that's the issue.
With elderly parents living locally we can't move just yet. But in the future I can see myself enjoying the more open roads of Dorset/Somerset/Devon with some flat six power behind me.............
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 wheels are the answer if congestion is a problem, easier to scythe through it to get to the open roads.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

did you lose any money on the car. did you sell private or trade in
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James M-S wrote:
2 wheels are the answer if congestion is a problem, easier to scythe through it to get to the open roads.


....... and make sure you carry a organ donors card ...... Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

love154 wrote:
did you lose any money on the car. did you sell private or trade in


The numbers: purchased from a dealer for £37.5k a year ago, sold for £36.5k (the buyer isn't a member on here) in a private sale. BUT I spent quite a bit on the Ohlins, and other upgrades such as a leather console, brake caliper refurb, custom made sports exhaust and retro-fitting Sports Chrono. The trade-in quotes I got were laughable.

I knew at the time I'd never recoup the full value of the upgrades but I don't mind; I really enjoy planning and sourcing upgrades - it's part of the fun for me. And when I've finished.......I get bored and sell up. I do think tasteful upgrades help to sell the car - the buyer really wanted the Ohlins (quite right too, they are brilliant).

James M-S you are right about bikes and in the past I had a CBR1000 Honda, a Moto Guzzi Le Mans and others. But I see far too many bikers hurt or worse because of stupidity on the road (sometimes the biker's fault, often not). I'm not ready for organ donation just yet!
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious ......... how many miles did you do in the year you had the car Question
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting musings COB, I hope you stick around on the forum.

I know what you mean about roads round here (south Oxfordshire roads and speed limits probably make the Hants roads feel like the Nurburgring!)

German cars frankly have dreadful suspension. Jaguar, Lotus and Renault/Alpine show that good handling does not have to mean a crashy ride.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Just curious ......... how many miles did you do in the year you had the car Question


About 3000 Terry. I know, I know it's not many! But I didn't use the car for commuting, and my wife hated the car. Well, she didn't hate it as such, she just squealed "slow down, slow down!" if I ever, er, made progress when she was a passenger.
So you're looking at nice weather + somewhere interesting to go + wife not present + not commuting = not many miles I suppose. I doubt that I'm alone in that. As always, Your Mileage May Vary, literally!
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also had a Monaro once and a VXR8. The lure of the V8 calls. Hope you enjoy the C63.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, remember mate this forum is for Porsche enthusiasts and not just for current owners, and you have been an active member on here since you joined, so do hang around and continue to contribute until the time is right to go air-cooled .

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the AMG 63 its a car many of us have considered ,I drove one and its stupid fast , hugely thirsty although doing 3k miles a year you won't worry about fuel cost. but I didn't feel the character of the car like you do with a Porsche or even an Aston ,but it was a brutal monster of a car and as such did make me grin . As you say you only keep them a year which TBH is very much the same as my other car , thats the one I change often and tick boxes etc.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of road trouble can be beaten by late night or early morn runs. See a lot of speed traps in Dorset thorough.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thoughts COB!

Good to hear you've enjoyed the ownership experience, albeit soured by the roads where you live.

One of the things I love about living in the north east is how empty our glorious roads are. Whenever I drive down south to see friends I wonder why they bother having a Porsche at all...

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww, you guys! Some heart warming posts, thank you. It's only a matter of time before I'm back in a Porsche, so I will continue to chip in on this forum, don't worry. I shall also post up what I think of the C63 monster once I get a few more V8 miles under my belt.
Regards to all, Mike.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen a few of these around this weekend. Good weekend for getting to know a new car.
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