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Milo72
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 9:52 pm    Post subject: Centre Gravity - What can I expect ? Reply with quote

I’ve got new springs and a few other suspension parts so booked in at CG, other than making sure everyone is straight and pointing in the right direction what can I expect?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be well looked after and you car will feel like it should again!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tea making duties. Very Happy

As well as that, well it’s hard to express what Chris and Pete do, until you’ve seen for yourself.

Until I’d been (with Craig’s car not mine I must add) I thought “Well what can they actually do above your usual alignment setup? There’s only a set number of adjustment points so how can they do it any differently?”.
Once you’re there though and Chris explains what he’s doing and more importantly why, you start to get an idea of just how much he knows.
Again it’s hard to explain but I’m sure you’ll come away wowed by their knowledge and wowed by how your car drives.

Your day will start with Chris asking how you drive the car, where, passengers usually or none, etc etc. He’ll then go out in the car, with you and him having a go of your car on his test route. He’ll explain what he’s about to do with the car and what he should see. When the car does or doesn’t do that he’ll explain why and what needs to alter.

Once back at the workshop he’ll set about it with the most methodical, intricate approach you’ve ever seen. It’s a really good day and I guarantee you’ll learn something.

Once it’s all done you’ll leave safe in the knowledge that your car is the absolute best it possibly can be with the current set of components you have on there.

Honestly it’s a masterclass and to top it off they’re just two really nice blokes.
We saw Chris and Pete at the Oulton RS day the other week and they were only too happy to give us pax rides in Chris’s old white 911, again explaining what the car was doing and what would need to change as the rain came down, which it did.

It’s not cheap, but expert knowledge and ability costs money. To even think of it along the same lines as “just another alignment setup” would be criminal.

Enjoy it and more importantly enjoy your car once it’s done. You’ll have a great day. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good car on the way there, an amazing car on the way home Bandit
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most comprehensive, thorough, structured approach to desired chassis behaviour from two very competent guys (Chris and Pete) who really do know what they are doing and are passionate about doing anything they lay their hands on just right every time.

They set up my Turbo in 2015 and it handles a dream, as if its on rails.

If you want a 45 - 60 minute setup on a Hunter laser alignment jig, then CoG is not for you. Go and take it to any indy or Kwik Fit.

Chassis work is all that CoG do. They do not do the usual indy servicing, they do not do engine rebuilds, they do not do mechanical work save only for any components that make up the suspension, steering and braking system (and of course anything in the final drive train that puts the power down through the wheels).

Do it. You won't regret it. And you'll get to know those areas of the car I've highlighted very much inside out. Its a 200 mile round trip for me - but worth it. They have people who bring their cars over from Ireland, the French Riviera and even Scotland!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wise words from Cheshire911. He knows, y’know! 😉
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should try using them sometime. Then you'd also know.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
Tea making duties. Very Happy


Think I drank an inordinate amount of tea in the two days I was there Very Happy

One of the best things for me was that everything they do is explained to you in a friendly manner and they take their time to answer any questions you have with the kind of enthusiasm that only people that really enjoy what they do can!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a big bill
Lots of time waiting
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sim996 wrote:
Quite a big bill
Lots of time waiting

Your response indicates unhappiness with your experience. Care to elaborate?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would agree with sim996 but I am also very happy with my time spent at CG.

There is bound to be a fair amount of waiting unless you decide to leave your car but talking to Chris and Pete (and their other halves) and other customers is a major part of the experience.

I took a good book but ended up reading one of theirs and lots of mags.

The cost, well I can only say you get what you pay for. I'd also spent a lot on Ohlins and other parts and didn't want to compromise.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One or two posts have mentioned the cost, but CoG's hourly labour rate is £90 including VAT (or £99 if you supply parts) and I think that's great value considering the expertise that you are purchasing.

I've never been anywhere else that involves you as much as Chris and Pete do - it's refreshing to be able to look under your own car while they explain what they're doing and why.

I just wish they were closer than 150 miles away from me but it's worth the drive.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Centre Gravity - What can I expect ? Reply with quote

Milo72 wrote:
I’ve got new springs and a few other suspension parts so booked in at CG, other than making sure everyone is straight and pointing in the right direction what can I expect?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think £90 per hour is very reasonable for what they do, an OPC charges way more and don't offer this service!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mate went down to C of G from Aberdeen. Car was with them for 2 or 3 days. New everything. To say he was chuffed is an understatement!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
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Quite a big bill
Lots of time waiting

Your response indicates unhappiness with your experience. Care to elaborate?


Not unhappy, the car felt great afterwards. They did a great job.

However, the equipment they use isn't special and is used elsewhere at a fraction of the cost.

It wasn't until I took my GTR for a service at a specialist garage, when I went to pick it up the chap just mentioned that he also checked and adjusted the alignment. That car was transformed too, drove arrow straight and I was well pleased, but it was all part of the service, so no eye watering bill.

If I wanted to get a track specific alignment done with some particular characteristics, then sure, I'll use CG, they certainly know their onions. But for normal road alignment where I just want it to drive straight and neutral, a normal setup by a competent person is more than adequate for my needs.

If you've had bad alignment elsewhere, he's worth the money.

I've recently changed the suspension, so I'm due a full alignment, if I can't get it right, I'll definitely go back.

But honestly, I had the same feeling driving that GTR away as I did when driving the Porsche after alignment, except one was £650 invoice, the other was a description in a line item. I just couldn't help wondering why I paid the £650. Maybe I'll find out and go back, then I'll know for sure if he was worth it. You've got to admit, it's pricey!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay your money and take your choice.

If you want it nearly perfect, there is plenty of choice. A lot of good places about.

If you want that extra bit, and the confidence in knowing its right, then C of G is the place to go.

Can't rate them high enough.

Top guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it's all about the attention to detail you get with CG and their understanding of all things Porsche as that is what they specialise in. I was there nearly two full days during which time my car was worked on the whole time, goodness knows what an OPC might charge to do the same work, if they were even able to!
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