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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Carerra s with 98k Reply with quote

Hi guys this is my first post. I am looking at purchasing a 997 Carerra S 2005 model and I have found one with 3 previous owners and 98k on the clock the car has had its engine replaced at 44k by Porsche under warranty in 2005. the car is all orgional. any advise would be helpful about potential purchase.

the car will be a weekend car and will only do arround 4k per annum.

never owned a 911 before

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Kris
PPI is a must, there are a few gotchas on the early 997s that you need to be aware of. A PPI will uncover these for you. To have the engine replaced after 44k miles in one year, perhaps the year is wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oops apologies it was replaced in 2010.... at Porsche centre Bristol he has the worksheet for it....

Anything else I should be looking for... it has the hot start issue but I have priced that up locally at around £350 from an independent..
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given it is a 2005 it would be worth checking if the revised IMS bearing was fitted along with the new engine. Also, when you are getting the PPI done, make sure they check for bore scoring.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My theory in buying a new car from the used market is that there is something that needs doing which forced the sale for a new car. It's not the case every time, but there seems to be a gotcha somewhere.
A PPI will help uncover the hidden gems. A/C condensers cop a hammering, steering racks weep and suspension components wear.
These cars aren't anymore expensive to run so long as you buy well and maintain well. Put things off and before you know it, it can be quite the bill of accumulated issues.
The well documented potential issues around the engine need investigating, along with best practice to avoid the issue in the future to the best of your ability should you go ahead.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pay for a borescope.
Pay for a borescope.
Pay for a borescope.
Pay for a borescope.
And have it done by someone who knows what they are looking for. Where are you located? I'm sure the guys on here can point you in the direction of someone good to do the PPI

Everything else is chicken-feed to fix, but if its got scored cylinders you'll be looking at £10k to fix (roughly).

The PPI will cost you a few hundred quid but it can save you thousands and give you awesome peace of mind.

Just because it had a new engine does not mean it is immune from the problems. Lots of scoring happens before 40k miles and the new engine still has the old flaws.

If it does not have any scoring then snap it up. Clean engines on this generation are getting increasingly harder to find. Anything else which may need fixing is minor in comparison.

Good luck with the purchase, show us some pics, and Welcome
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

welcome - you've come to the right place

others will respond with far more technical/eloquent explanations of what to look for

however, as someone who owns pretty much the exact car you've looking at I'd say the advice is simple - listen to the advice, do you checks, and then enjoy.

I'm tempting fate, I know, but my 93k mile 2005 feels, drives, and looks like a much newer car and (touches wood) doesn't cost an arm and leg to run
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low number of owners is a good sign. It implies a cherished car (to me anyway).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James M-S wrote:
Low number of owners is a good sign. It implies a cherished car (to me anyway).


...and me too!

As stated by most of the others above.......make sure you get the bores checked Thumb

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so the car has had 2 previous owners full porsche history until 2013 at Porsche Devon, then maintained by SCS in Devon. I am going to contact SCS to see if they can tell me about the car the owner has agreed for me to do this....

is there anything I should specifically ask SCS

Recent works include all wheels balanced, coolant system replaced, new suspension diagonal link arms (under warranty) and front anti-roll bars.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you had the bores checked for scoring?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tvrkris wrote:
so the car has had 2 previous owners full porsche history until 2013 at Porsche Devon, then maintained by SCS in Devon. I am going to contact SCS to see if they can tell me about the car the owner has agreed for me to do this....

is there anything I should specifically ask SCS

Recent works include all wheels balanced, coolant system replaced, new suspension diagonal link arms (under warranty) and front anti-roll bars.


MOT history online is usually a good shout, to see what was flagged as advisories etc to see they've been sorted.

Clutch may or may not be an issue at that mileage.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If coolant system replaced means all the aluminium pipes, then that is a good job done.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would expect clutch to have been done, if not there’s your first haggling point Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert SausageTrousers wrote:
Have you had the bores checked for scoring?


Yeah

I suspect not otherwise he'd have said. Personally I wouldn't bother with anything else until I knew they were clean.

Dont know
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
Robert SausageTrousers wrote:
Have you had the bores checked for scoring?


Yeah

I suspect not otherwise he'd have said. Personally I wouldn't bother with anything else until I knew they were clean.

Dont know

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, a friend of mine was looking for a 997 S not so long ago. He looked at 11 cars and only 1 had clean cylinders. The only one with no scoring ended up being a car on >100k miles. All the garage queens and low mileage examples were scored.

It is not internet scare tales.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragpicker wrote:
OP, a friend of mine was looking for a 997 S not so long ago. He looked at 11 cars and only 1 had clean cylinders. The only one with no scoring ended up being a car on >100k miles. All the garage queens and low mileage examples were scored.

It is not internet scare tales.

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but does it need to be absolutely 'clean' cylinders?

I do wonder whether, because of the obsession with 997 bore scoring, we are more inclined to look harder at these cars when, presumably, all cars suffer from some kind of bore wear

I'm no mechanic, i just think 10/11 cars suggests we're looking for a unicorn if we want as new engines on 10+ year old cars
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James M-S wrote:
I would expect clutch to have been done, if not there’s your first haggling point Thumb


As I understand it the clutch on these cars should be good for 45k miles, assuming not raced or rallied! So the car the op is looking at will have had at least one clutch, and will soon need another, unless it has had two clutches in which case it should be fine. In a sense if it does need a clutch that would be an advantage as the op could then chip the price, and get a new clutch whilst taking the opportunity to check the IMS etc.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basalt911 wrote:
ragpicker wrote:
OP, a friend of mine was looking for a 997 S not so long ago. He looked at 11 cars and only 1 had clean cylinders. The only one with no scoring ended up being a car on >100k miles. All the garage queens and low mileage examples were scored.

It is not internet scare tales.

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but does it need to be absolutely 'clean' cylinders?

I do wonder whether, because of the obsession with 997 bore scoring, we are more inclined to look harder at these cars when, presumably, all cars suffer from some kind of bore wear

I'm no mechanic, i just think 10/11 cars suggests we're looking for a unicorn if we want as new engines on 10+ year old cars


Speaking from experience ........I ran a bore scored car for about 12 months after it was diagnosed, until a chocolate non-Porsche water pump that I fitted melted. (I then claimed on my warranty implicating this as the cause of the scoring)

If you don't mind surrounding your neighbours with a blue mist in the mornings when you first start up and keep topping the car up with oil pretty frequently it's OK (not being sarcastic Thumb )

The thought of impending doom took some of the enjoyment of the car away.

A £10k repair bill is nothing to be sniffed at, no matter how affluent you may be.

I would certainly recommend a check and as someone has already mentioned, by somebody who knows exactly what they are looking for.

I would hate the OP to go out and buy a lemon. Thumb
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