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Alex
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: What price did the 993 bottom out at? Reply with quote

Yesterday I was chatting to a mate in the local boozer and he was telling me about his Iris Blue 993 he once owned. He was telling me how much he'd paid and sold it for and couldn't believe how much they'd inflated since. Bought for £27k and sold for £11k. At what price did the 993 bottom out and when?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

£11k Surprised It must have been very high mileage and/or very tatty.

I was seriously in the market for a 911 in 2008 and 993s were at their lowest values. I didn't see any non-Cat cars advertised for under £20k.

Most sensible mileage dealer cars were £22k+, about the same as late Gen1 996s and early Gen2 996s, so I'm assuming that they were trading at about £18k. Obviously high mileage cars would have been worth less but even so ........ £11k. Question
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found a photo of it on FB. Says he traded it in and the date was 2008

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......and he traded it in for a 996.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy to be educated by anyone that was 'in the know' back then but my thoughts are that your mate's memory is playing tricks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's sharp as knife, I doubt it.

On the upside he acquired that private plate virtually free.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the bottom was 2008 to 2011

In 2010 I sold a 2nd owner, FSH, 993 4S, man car for £20k (133k miles), nearly bought it back a year later for £23k (it had a suspension refresh in the meantime)

At the time you could get a decent 993 coupe man, with around 80k miles for early £20's, and decent turbos were mid to late £40s.

My boss in 2011, valued his 993 C2S, with 40k miles (and just subject to a £6k paint job, as well as the winner of a Porsche concourse prize) at £26k (it was a coupe, but trip) - had it been a manual, it would have been probably closer to £40k


A ropey cat d trip could be had for £8k.


Values today are about 250% higher
but this is nothing compared to pre'72 cars which are about 600% higher
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

read this

A thread from 2010 about 993 versus 996 Very Happy

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=48&t=903591
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought Aug 2010 and prices were as low as I'd seen. Northway were looking for about £16-£17k for a decent 100k mile 993, and I bought mine for less!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started researching buying my first 911 in late 2009 / early 2010 the 993 range were mid to late £20’s for decent cars with average mileages. I test drove a 993 and concluded, similar to the driver at the start of the P’Heads thread that the 996 was the one to go for. Lighter, faster, more usable as a daily driver. My view hasn’t changed.

Alex, £11k seems low, but 2008 was the start of the financial crash so it’s plausible his timing was just lousy. Though if he got as good a price on what he changed for then that’s all that matters. What did he swap it for and what did he pay for that? Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 2005 you could pick up a 964 for 10k and a 993 was not much more.
As ever the best cars even then as a percentage were significantly more.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it was a Gen 1 996 but that's about it. I'll ask him when I see him. He had an 80's 911 before the 993.

His story around acquiring the plate was amazing. It was on a clapped out Hillman Minx dumped at a mates garage. To get the plate transferred off the car it had to be road legal (the car was beyond help). I'll not go into the detail of what he did but it involved borrowing a random pensioner's Minx, putting the plates on and getting an MOT certificate Grin

The things you could get away with back in the 80s Surprised
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wheeler dealer one was purchased at 12k from memory
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
The Wheeler dealer one was purchased at 12k from memory


Another mate (Francis) was the buyer. He only kept it a couple of months and moved it on. Hated the suspension mod they'd done on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Besides the suspension, what did he think of the quality of Eds work?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything else was fine, although Ed had replaced far more than what was in the show. I had access to Ed's purchases off eBay alone when he did the car up. I still have the list:

New Genuine Porsche 993 Left Hand Near Side Wide Bodied Tailpipe 1996 Onwards
Porsche 993 Carrera C2 C4 exhaust tip tail pipe
Set of 16 Porsche 924S 944 968 911 964 993 Black Alloy Wheel Nuts
Porsche 993 986 996 Manual Black Leather Steering Wheel
PORSCHE 911 993 SERIES 94-97 INDICATORS - CLEAR
PAIR PORSCHE NEW 993 ENGINE LID STRUTS - (WITH SPOILER)
PORSCHE 911 993 3.6 VARIORAM INTAKE MANIFOLD M64.21
PORSCHE 911 993 CARRERA CLEAR STONEGUARDS 2 PIECE STONE GUARDS STICKER DECAL SET
Rear reflector Porsche 911 (993)
NEW Porsche 964 993 RHD Brake & Clutch Foot Pedal Rubbers Pair x2
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most amazing price one I remember seeing advertised was the Vesuvius C2S at £16,950.

205,000 miles but well cared for. Seller had a queue of buyers. Buyer relisted it three weeks later for £27k.

Jonttt's post from 2012:
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?p=851779

Started reading the PH thread quoted above, with some interesting points about the 993 versus 996 which remain topical. One of the arguments being the 993 is the more economical car to run. Whoever wrote that had clearly not had bills like mine Surprised . Also the guy who was going on about how bad 993s are to drive until someone asked him how long he had owned one. Turns out he had driven one belonging to a friend once. Allegedly. Grin Got to love some threads. Stopped reading it when I saw the cmoose posts one after the other and remembered why I've stopped using PH.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking for a 911 in 2010 I had the choice of 964, could be had for around £12k, 993 and 996 and they were both available for under £20k which was my budget at the time, I opted for the better, more modern car.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Floor worship Grin
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking for my 1st 911 in 2008, a '996 was more expensive than a comparable '993

I paid £24k for the '996.2 with 45k miles - and ran it for 3 years.
In the same year, a buddy of mine bought a '993 (C4) with 145k miles for £14k
He still has it now.....

I then went on to buy a '993 in 2012 (C2 with 82k miles) for £20k and that was about the average price at that time.

I suppose we are the lucky ones as we have been able to spend a fortune on them and still have value in the car Question

It would be good to see what the average price has been year on year - but here's a snip from a 2004 classic car magazine - oh for a crystal ball...
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