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infrasilver
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in total it was around £150 to complete and I sold my used rear control arms on ebay for £40.

I did go to McGill Motorsport for the rose joints and all associated parts at that end. £40 for a couple of front track rod ends and IIRC £60 for the LH/RH threaded adjuster from Alex.

Looks like those ebay arms have copied the same design as what I came up with Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool, thanks and yes they look identical to yours.

I'll look into it. I have a slight fear of hurtling down a mountain pass with toe links I've cobbled together myself but they'll be no different to any of the ones for sale I guess. Thumb

Alex, do you fancy knocking up anymore sets for forum members?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could go with the Porsche motorsport ones. Matt at Fearnsport swears by them after problems wih cheap ones not lasting very long.. I will be running these on my C4.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much are they Martin?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
How much are they Martin?


About £600 a pair.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

<picks himself up off floor>

Hmm, compared to what I've spent on the car that's not bad but it's not the pain free solution I was hoping for. Grin

I must add if they were upto £350 I'd choose them over all the eBay ones but I think I'll have a go at Infra's.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had a read through this and infra silvers thread. Can I ask what's with the x74? Is this setting purely for tyre wear?
I was looking at lowering springs as everything seems to be in order and I'll probably work my way through the bushes. If it's going to run into extras at every turn I might just leave it at standard height. I've been down this road before with my last car. Every time the wallet was emptied, there was something else.
Is there a happy medium on height? Is a 20mm drop ok?
I just like the idea of a gt3 rep as I've already got the aero and wheels.

Don't want to sound stingy but I've only bought the car and Christmas is on the doorstep
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've probably done 20,000 miles on mine without a problem and those 20,000 are mostly all driven hard. At least there is some R&D on mine but the eBay ones are an unknown quantity.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NedHan79 wrote:
Don't want to sound stingy but I've only bought the car and Christmas is on the doorstep


I thought Christmas was the time to buy yourself something nice that you didn't really need? This sounds ideal.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:
I've probably done 20,000 miles on mine without a problem and those 20,000 are mostly all driven hard. At least there is some R&D on mine but the eBay ones are an unknown quantity.


Likewise - the only part that is not sourced from a 'motorsport' or OEM quality source is the adjuster, which is machined from the correct grade of steel?.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
NedHan79 wrote:
Don't want to sound stingy but I've only bought the car and Christmas is on the doorstep


I thought Christmas was the time to buy yourself something nice that you didn't really need? This sounds ideal.

MC


I wish. I think the Mrs would have me living in the car. Hand
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:
I've probably done 20,000 miles on mine without a problem and those 20,000 are mostly all driven hard. At least there is some R&D on mine but the eBay ones are an unknown quantity.


Did you ever make a batch?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NedHan79 wrote:
infrasilver wrote:
I've probably done 20,000 miles on mine without a problem and those 20,000 are mostly all driven hard. At least there is some R&D on mine but the eBay ones are an unknown quantity.


Did you ever make a batch?


Speak with Alex Yates if you think this is the route you want to take.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sim996 wrote:
I'll be lowering my car too. Any recommendations on adjustable toe arms? Do I really need to spend £500-£600?


See my links in the first post, if you need adjustable toe arms and several folk do not, they start from £215.
For the time saving and hope that the weather allows me to fit them before Xmas I’ve bought a pair, colour matches my car (ish,), they have boots fitted and ‘Hardrace’ parts get good reviews on Subaru sites etc so I’ve taken a chance.
It’s an expense I really didn’t want but I think it’s the way to go, I could spend another £100 on a geo setup that doesn’t work again which would be money wasted and still require adjustable toe arms, at least this way I will be able to get them within X74 spec (I hope).

Initial measurements takes on lumpy ground to wheel arch with springs having done 50 miles fitted are as follows:

FL 64.5 FR 63.5 cm
RL 63.5 RR 64.0 cm

On average from these readings it seems as if my C2 is 1cm Lower at the rear than Dammits car which has adjustable Ohlins struts, maybe this is my problem?
How do I correct it? Fit 1 cm spacers (possible and who does them?) or fit the adjustable toe arms and also 285/35R18’s (11mm more radius than current 295/30R18) to increase the attitude?

Suggestions please.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great info. I think you could use a male LH M14 rose joint with the 120mm turnbuckle then thread lock some hi-tensile threaded rod into the rod end. Unless you need to shorten the link, so a 100mm turnbuckle might do it.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex will knock you some spacers up.

I would look at tyre sizes before this and check the profile is correct etc.

911munKy wrote:
sim996 wrote:
I'll be lowering my car too. Any recommendations on adjustable toe arms? Do I really need to spend £500-£600?


See my links in the first post, if you need adjustable toe arms and several folk do not, they start from £215.
For the time saving and hope that the weather allows me to fit them before Xmas I’ve bought a pair, colour matches my car (ish,), they have boots fitted and ‘Hardrace’ parts get good reviews on Subaru sites etc so I’ve taken a chance.
It’s an expense I really didn’t want but I think it’s the way to go, I could spend another £100 on a geo setup that doesn’t work again which would be money wasted and still require adjustable toe arms, at least this way I will be able to get them within X74 spec (I hope).

Initial measurements takes on lumpy ground to wheel arch with springs having done 50 miles fitted are as follows:

FL 64.5 FR 63.5 cm
RL 63.5 RR 64.0 cm

On average from these readings it seems as if my C2 is 1cm Lower at the rear than Dammits car which has adjustable Ohlins struts, maybe this is my problem?
How do I correct it? Fit 1 cm spacers (possible and who does them?) or fit the adjustable toe arms and also 285/35R18’s (11mm more radius than current 295/30R18) to increase the attitude?

Suggestions please.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't fit 285/35's.

The correct tyre sizes for 10" rims are 265/35/18 on Mk1 Carreras and 285/30/18 on Mk1 GT3 and mk2 Carreras.

I've gone for 285 on my Mk1 C2 as I'm using GT3 rims.
The 10" Carrera twists that came off have 265's on but they look too stretched to me. I prefer a squarer look and a touch more rim protection.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So barring the turnbuckles which I'm hoping Alex will help with, does this look like a definitive list?

Standard RH thread track rods -

TRW OEM PORSCHE BOXSTER 986 PORSCHE 911 996 997 TRACK TIE ROD END 996422812 https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F350736102099


2x M14 x 1.5LH thread rosejoints -

http://www.mcgillmotorsport.com/m14-x-1-5mm-left-hand-female-xflm14x1-5-ultra-high-performance-rod-end-212/


2 pairs of M14-M12 high angle reducers -

http://www.mcgillmotorsport.com/m14-to-m12-rod-end-misalignment-reducers-pair-457/


Set of 4 M12 misalignment spacers -

http://www.mcgillmotorsport.com/m12-rod-end-misalignment-spacers-12mm-pack-of-4-390/


2x Rubber boots -

http://www.mcgillmotorsport.com/rodobal-rose-joint-rubber-dust-protection-sealing-boot-m14-632/


2x turnbuckles -

TBC - Hopefully Alex.


Nuts to lock turnbuckle ends-

2x M14 RH thread Stainless nuts
2x M14 LH thread Stainless nuts


Track rod ends - £54
Rose joints - £29
M14 to M12 reducers - £9
M12 Misalignment spacer - £3
Rose joint boots - £8
Lock nuts LH/RH thread - £5
2x Turnbuckles - £ TBC

£108 plus turnbuckles.

Like you did Infra, I'll be able to sell my 1000 mile old standard toe links and claw back £30-£40 I guess.

So thanks Infra! And Chris for the info in Infra's thread. That's a great saving.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PM sent.

I can knock up anything anyone wants, from Aluminium, Stainless Steel, Mild Steel, etc.

I've done various engine, brake and suspension parts for a few members and site sponsors.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To address the OP's problem, I would suggest take it to Paul devya Porsche or La rose Porsche both in sevenoaks they should be able to set up the x74 geo for you or give you a definite answer what you need to do. I suspect the kwikfit lads just don't quite know what they are doing before you blindly start throwing parts at it, by all means if that's what they then advise but from your description I doubt that's really the problem
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