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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...yeah okay Alex Dont know
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah ok Alex what?

I know what I'm talking about.

So what do you mean?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are not repairing it then perhaps give Hartech a ring .. they might be interested in it .

Snapped chain can cause a lot of damage .. maybe not as bad as an IMS but it still isnt cheap .. untill its stripped you cant say and that in its self is not cheap.

Metal indicates an ims though .. snapped chain tends to be no metal .

If the car has other issues then perhaps this is the right descion .

Sorry young man .
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just leave this here: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=74946
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi OP, really sorry to hear about this. Hope you are able to find a way forward that works out as a replacement. Having experienced this failure, your strategy of considering a Gen 2 or Hartech engine car is a good one.

A spate of failures have occurred recently which is not good for those affected.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
I'll just leave this here: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=74946


Thats exactly what happened to me. Thanks Alex, glad you waited and let me have some hope for a while!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deMort wrote:
If you are not repairing it then perhaps give Hartech a ring .. they might be interested in it .

Snapped chain can cause a lot of damage .. maybe not as bad as an IMS but it still isnt cheap .. untill its stripped you cant say and that in its self is not cheap.

Metal indicates an ims though .. snapped chain tends to be no metal .

If the car has other issues then perhaps this is the right descion .

Sorry young man .


What the car needs is
Engine rebuild - assume full
New hood and liner
Suspensions still all original - all needs a refresh
Small bits of body work all round, small bits of lacquer etc no rust
Rear spoiler motor
No mesh grill on front, one rad was changed 5 years ago
ABS light is on
Tip gearbox oil change
Discs haven't been changed for 7 years, pads were a two years ago

Anyone fancy giving some rough estimates of cost?

Also what is the car worth as it is?

Few threads going on about buying a 996/997 - I would again, had great 10 years but now budget prob reaches a bit further so makes sense try and avoid this happening again.

Anyone bought from RPM? Seem to have a good reputation. They have got a 996 cab for sale, pretty top money for a higher miler, but everything seems to have been done! Triggers broom springs to mind

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my timing chain snapped I weighted up the alternative's to repairing, I could have broke the whole car and would have got around £7k for all the parts but this would have taken a long time to get rid of everything, I also could have sold it complete for around £6-7k. The value of a facelift 996 back then was around double that or more.

In the end I decided to repair it as the rest of the car was pretty good still and doing a DIY rebuild only cost me £3.5k.

Obviously the engine is the big cost (depending what the problem is) but the other things can be done over time, suspension may not need too much to get it sorted and brakes are cheap enough, other things can wait.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

.......and I fir a new hood on mine for £400.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not at all the type of question i would normally answer or indeed know much about but ..

There are a lot of variables on the engine rebuild and the suspension / bodywork.

I would hazard a guess at around the £18k mark .. whats the car worth .. around the £18k mark .

As it stands to get rid of the car .. you might get £2 - 2.5 k .. a bit more if you were to break it and sell as individual components .. dont even go there .

So .. buy a " new " 996 for im guessing £20k .. which Will need work .. or spend the money fixing what you have in the knowledge its pretty much upto spec .. Question

I can tell you now .. a lot of garages would be interested in a ground up resto in that sort of budget .. engine rebuild can still be done at hartech .. but they would be interested .. that means cost

Start talking into Feb and March and they wont .. Porsche garages are quiet untill beginning of Feb till middle of Feb .
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you like the car, rebuild. If you want to change, sell as is. I would rebuild, but I have a thing for the 996.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only car you know is going to have had everything done is the car that you've had it done too - if that makes sense.

i.e. I believe that it makes more sense to take what you have and as de Mort recommends get restored by an Indy than it does to buy another car for 15k that might have half the problems that yours does right now if you are unlucky.

Again, this may sound counter-intuitive (and not a little yoghurt-weavey), but this is an opportunity to get the car you've enjoyed for 10 years put back to as-new, but with the weaknesses that Porsche unfortunately left in the design of the M96 removed.

Then you can totally lose your mind and build a sort of X51-Cup engine to replace your perfectly good one...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say change to a different car but it depends what.
As has been said there's absolutely no point in buying another well used unknown 996. It may not last as long as you old has for you.

When I look at your list of faults you've let build up before the engine went pop, I'm guessing you like the car but don't pamper it or fiddle with it?
In that case I doubt you'd enjoy "the journey" of restoration. Things always go wrong, some jobs need doing twice or even thrice.
£18k will not get a new roof, suspension, respray and Hartech rebuild.

So I'd say change for an easy life.
The main caveat being only change to a Cayman, Boxster or 911 after 2009 for the much improved DFi engine, or only buy a car with a hartrch rebuild.

There was a one on here before Xmas for barely £11k. I thought about buying it to swap the engine for mine but I haven't got time for that at the moment.

It needs a respray and minor things but should be doable for £7k.

Here it is. No connection so due diligence required as ever.

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8660

Edit to say it isn't a tip and you'd need to ask about the rebuild e.g. Support rings or new liners, or neither. It has the bigger IMS fitted though so it seems to have been quite extensive.
As long as it had support rings or liners it might be worth buying the car for £10k, pay your garage a grand or two to swap motors between the two cars.
So £12k cost.
Sell the new car as a project with your old knackered engine for £4K-£5k and it's cost £7k-£8k for a Hartech engine. Then get your paint done and things.

Plenty of options if you can be bothered with a bit of hassle.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
but I have a thing for the 996.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After 10 years of ownership your car is like an old glove, fits nicely and owes you nothing.
If it were me I’d look on it as a zero cost a blank canvas. Spend £16k on it and you’ll have more 911 than any £16k 911 you’ll find in the classifieds.

It all depends on whether you’ve lost the love or not. If you have, then unfortunately someone else is going to profit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would rebuild, but I have a thing for the 996.



Me too
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fellas, thank you, useful info and insights.

If I could get it into a very good mechanical condition with a new hood for £15k then I would and I could live with the body work.

I used to do a lot of basic spanner work myself, too busy now with three kids aged 5 and under, full time job and owning a pub!

I wouldn't go down the route of breaking it.

I'll try and have a chat with Hartech on Monday, at least to get some idea of cost of a sensible rebuild, I don't need any more power!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Decided, going to sell it as it is.

Realistically, this year is going to be just as busy as the last few. And I want to spend what time I have free with the family. Away from home. In the camper van or on our bikes.

Getting the work done by garages just takes the costs too high.

So anyone want to a project?
Make me an offer while I remove the plate.

I'd love it to be fixed by someone here.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear that. It's a shame that you'll pass her on but at least you've put in the thought and not just gone on impulse.

Best of luck finding a nice replacement!
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