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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: What should I do for Winter ? Reply with quote

So I got my car a couple of months ago and enjoyed the last of the summer sunshine and dry roads in it, but I think I would like to wrap it up until the spring....

I’m collecting it today from the body shop as I’ve just had the front end resprayed and the thought of salt and stone chips gives me cold sweats. I know some people say it’s a car and it should be driven, but having waited this long to get my ‘poster car’ I just can’t face a wheel arch full of rock salt.

So the question is.... what should I do for the winter ??

Start it up once a month?
Leave a trickle charger on all the time?
Move it every now at then?
Anything special for the paintwork?

What are your thoughts...?

It’s a Cabriolet and will sadly have to be under a cover as I have another project in the garage.

I certainly don’t want to leave it and not touch it as I’ve got to fit all the bits i’m buying off of here over the next few month thumbsup

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look here => Previous discussion on the subject
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have a look here => Previous discussion on the subject


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have a look here => Previous discussion on the subject


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drive it!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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drive it!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NLW73 wrote:
drive it!


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Ha ha ha ha - I knew this was a can of worms posting this. I certainly don’t want a garage queen but I can’t quite bring myself to driving the winter country roads round here either, maybe next year when i’m not so precious about it.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate, two small bits of advise , get some Gummi pflege and do your door rubbers , stops the glass sticking/freezing to the rubber seals and moisturises the rubbers.

https://www.micksgarage.com/d/dash-rubber-and-plastics/products/150332/gummi-pflege-protects-rubber-from-wear-and-keeps-rubber-elastic

Get some ACF-50 whip the undertrays off and give everything a good coating except the brakes .

http://www.acf-50.co.uk/acf-50.htm

thats my 2p worth for you to consider Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd use dehumidifiers, a trickle charger and keep the tyre pressures pumped up. But I wouldn't want to lay it up outside under a cover really. It would be good if you could to give it a run on a dry day from time to time.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No garage, drive it simples.... Or kick the project out!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally understand the mentality of not wanting to use a nice 997 on our winter roads. Especially with local councils seemingly unable to keep up with repairs.

I am using my 997 as a daily and doing some pretty large mileage to boot. My solution to prevent corrosion and keep out/off the seasons had been to:

1/ Purchase a vehicle which is in a good state of repair in the first instance. Examining, then if not already done, further remedying the usual suspects such as stone chips, making sure underbody fixings and mechanicals are okay (heat shields, bumper stays, discs, callipers etc etc).

2/ Get a good indy to apply a coat of waxoil underneath the car (taking the undertrays off- discussed in a recent thread I believe).

3/ Ask your friendly neighborhood detailer to apply a ceramic coating to bodywork and wheels.

Then you’ll be cutting trough the worst the weather can throw at you with ease!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had missed the bit about keeping it under a cover , the issue with outdoor covers is they flyp about in the weather and can scratch the paint, Highly suggest you do as others in the past and put an indoor colver over it first then the outdoor cover Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure any outdoor cover is a good idea with the UK climate?, trapping moisture etc? without a garage id go with Mattys idea Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
Not sure any outdoor cover is a good idea with the UK climate?, trapping moisture etc? without a garage id go with Mattys idea Thumb


Grin tis true covers are not ideal , best option would be to drive it and enjoy it but OP seems reluctant , maybe because hes not actually experienced how good and safe these cars are in poor weather , so he might change his mind , Grin saw a great video about 15 mins ago of a 997 with PASM on a forced skid pad and it handled just as we know they can , perfectly Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PASM won’t make any difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Not sure any outdoor cover is a good idea with the UK climate?, trapping moisture etc? without a garage id go with Mattys idea Thumb


Grin tis true covers are not ideal , best option would be to drive it and enjoy it but OP seems reluctant , maybe because hes not actually experienced how good and safe these cars are in poor weather , so he might change his mind , Grin saw a great video about 15 mins ago of a 997 with PASM on a forced skid pad and it handled just as we know they can , perfectly Grin Thumb


Two worries I have... 1. Corrosion. 2. Other numpties who don't seem to understand icy weather and physics and still scoot into corners, or drive one inch off your back bumper expecting to be able to steer and stop as normal.

I've driven my 4S in snow and ice and it was brilliant.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for the replies.... definitely will get the stuff for window rubbers. As for taking the trays off and waxing it is this something I can do via jacks and axles stands and still get it coated properly?

Totally agree about being in the garage is the best options but turfing the Mini out is a project in itself.

I thought about this as a car cover...

https://www.classicadditions.com/en-GB/outdoor-car-covers/ultimate-outdoor-car-cover/prod_10077

What if I put an indoor cover on it first?

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone posted recently singing the praises of a ‘carcoon’. May be worth a look?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the camp that says a cover is better than no cover. I have a cab and the roof had blocked rain ducts and had water in the interior, so I got that corrected, but as a precaution bought an outdoor fitter cover for when it's on my driveway in the summer. I bought a Stormforce outdoor car cover and put it on when the car is clean. It has kept the car looking great and doesn't move at all even in a gail since it's fitted and also has two straps that you can pull to lash it nice and tight. Its soft (ish) inside too so will minimise any rubbing on the paintwork (but I keep it waxed anyway to protect it).

When I pull the cover off the car there is some slight dampness, but only really from condensation. Yes it's not perfect, but it doesnt budge an inch when on even in strong wind, and is totally water proof. I can take it off and refit in a few seconds now I have learnt the knack of putting the mirrors in their slots first and then pulling over the front and back last.

In short, IMO you are better with a fitted cover than nothing at all.

I think this was the badger: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-911-996-997-C2-C4-Stormforce-Outdoor-Car-Cover-Fitted-/322065131122

If you have the space and power for an outdoor carcoon, I'd highly recommend it, more money, but I'm told they keep the car in as good condition as a garage due to the air flow and carbon filers, plus a built in trickle charger. post about mine below:

http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=130736
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
I'd use dehumidifiers, a trickle charger and keep the tyre pressures pumped up. But I wouldn't want to lay it up outside under a cover really. It would be good if you could to give it a run on a dry day from time to time.


+1 also on the dehumidifier packs, I have these in my rear footwells to make sure no moisture is in the interior when it's not in use, they seem to do a good job and have taken out all the moister then the roof rain ducts got blocked:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/PINGI-REUSABLE-CAR-DEHUMIDIFIER-3pk/dp/B018XN76S4
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