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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:53 am    Post subject: 997 GTS Reply with quote

Howdy, I’m a newbie to this forum and current Lotus Exige V6 owner considering a change to something a bit more useable and less hardcore. So a quick question because I’m considering a 997.2s or 997 GTS both around 2010/11 plates. Is the GTS really worth the extra circa £20k? It seems a lot to me but I would welcome some sage like advise from the pros!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me it just depends on if you can afford to tie up the extra capital or the extra financing.

The total cost of ownership if less to me (in principle) as depreciation or appreciation will always be less / greater in a GTS. As that is a big part of the total cost of ownership usually then it can be argued that a GTS will always be cheaper to own.

That’s if you look at it in terms of pure maths. You then have to factor in that the 997 GTS is > than the sum of its parts over a none GTS ie you simply can;t make a none GTS into a GTS and if you get an S with “near” GTS spec then the gap in pricing is always much less in any case.

To me the answer is yes but whether that’s the same answer for you only you can answer. I will say that comparing a more base spec 997 to a GTS makes more sense to me when there really is a different vehicle to compare but that’s before you start factoring in mileage differences, condition etc..... lol Welcome to the world of Porsche Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say that the GTS is an overall 'ideal' package, but understand your questioning.

As above, depends on your financial position really. Then how many miles you plan to do, etc.

If entering 911 ownership, I would seek out a GTS with reasonable mileage and good history and hopefully a smaller delta.

Good luck and keep us informed Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP,
I had this same dilemma twelve months ago, and went for a C4S instead Thumb
Which I just sold as I still want the GTS, the yearning didnt go away nooo
Anyone who owns one will tell you its not just the extra BHP, but the way its delivered. GTS!!!
Personally (IMHO) it should also have the centre locks, Sport design wheel presuming PDK, and definitely the Alcantara, and of course it should be white?

Edit. Ignore Jontts advice to buy a Boxster GTS Grin
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m assuming the GTS is spec sensitive??
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lenny,
I’d say not, there isn’t really a bad spec out there. Although Sport Chrono, PDK, leather dash, sport design wheel with paddles are not standard. The centre locks and alcantara are, but some were ordered with Alcantara delete and 5 stud wheels.
For me the only thing to really avoid would be the plastic dash, obviously the manual cars now demand a heavy premium over PDK. I can’t remember seeing one without Sport Chrono.
Your biggest problem is finding a reasonably priced one, low milers are mega bucks, and the markets awash with cabs, personally I’d go mid miles, and wait a few months as the market is going to become better for buyers.
Most garages are full of over priced stock, some have been there close to years rather than months, (hexy) for example.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Sport Design wheel with paddles was standard, but some opted for the MF wheel option.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It says a lot for the way a GTS is respected amongst enthusiasts when you consider that the number of £££s extra you'll need to pay for a used example is actually more than the £££s extra they cost new.

It's not a premium I'd personally be prepared to pay but I acknowledge that it is generally recognised as the ultimate incarnation of the 997 Carrera - bar the 'Sport Classic' of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternative to justifying the difference (other than a 997.2 C2S), is to go the other way and consider a 991.1 GTS (last of the NA), which are now sitting at early £80k.... if you can get your head around the size, interior, etc.

I drove a few at Silverstone and they were all fab - but I still think the 997 shape remains the most classic looking/optimum 911, IMO.

Happy hunting!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the feedback, I don’t wish to upset any 991 owners but coming from an Exige V6 the electric steering wasn’t for me.Also it feels so big.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or buy yourself a decent low mileage 997.1 Turbo which in my opinion a better car than the GTS (although slightly chalk and cheese granted!), and save yourself a load of dough.
Low mileage manual GTS are £65-75k, a good manual sub 40k miles 997T can be had for £60k....no brainier.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lenny39 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, I don’t wish to upset any 991 owners but coming from an Exige V6 the electric steering wasn’t for me.Also it feels so big.


The 991 GTS is a brilliant Car.

Spend the day a few weeks ago driving the 991,2 GTS 2WD & AWD and they were both fantastic. Big step up from the 997 GTS in both Performance, Road holding and dare I say comfort.

It is an absolutely awesome car, couldn’t fault the steering either.

Also probably faster than the 997.1 turbo and the launch control just made me giggle all day long.
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BChivs wrote:
Or buy yourself a decent low mileage 997.1 Turbo which in my opinion a better car than the GTS (although slightly chalk and cheese granted!), and save yourself a load of dough.
Low mileage manual GTS are £65-75k, a good manual sub 40k miles 997T can be had for £60k....no brainier.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jonttt wrote:
The total cost of ownership if less to me (in principle) as depreciation or appreciation will always be less / greater in a GTS. As that is a big part of the total cost of ownership usually then it can be argued that a GTS will always be cheaper to own.

Based on depreciation curves in the past, yes. Going forward, I wouldn't be so sure. Prices are definitely softening for all cars and the ones which carry a premium have the furthest to fall...

Personally I wouldn't stump up an extra £20-25k to change into a GTS, as nice as they are. £10k sure, I'd make the trade tomorrow Very Happy

There's also a problem of finding one with the right spec - coupe, centre locks and alcantara interior are must haves IMO and a surprisingly small percentage of cars have them.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lenny39 wrote:
I’m assuming the GTS is spec sensitive??


They are

Manual Box makes biggest difference (if nit fitted with Shirt Shift Kit get it retrofitted)

Bucket Seats are also very sort after.

Must have Alcantara interior and the CL and both impact price

Leather Dash, Sport Chrono, Bose, Sat Nat (even though it’s shhi) , Universal Audio Interface (so you can Bluetooth music from an iPhone) are all very popular and will make the car easier to sell.

Rare option is the Sport Chassis with LSD and slightly lowered suspension.

JZM have got a Manual car with Bucket Seats and what looks like a very comprehensive spec for £60k. High mileage car but it’s a good buy I think with that spec.

I’ve had a Manula GTS for nearly three years now and absolutely love it. The manual box mated with that Powerkit engine is a really nice combination. I think the PDK will really start to date as it’s already noticeably slower than the 991 PDK Box which is itself about to be updated in three 992.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheib wrote:

JZM have got a Manual car with Bucket Seats and what looks like a very comprehensive spec for £60k. High mileage car but it’s a good buy I think with that spec.


https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1503/

My old car, good to see it looking as stunning as it always was.
Px'd it in 2014 with 22k miles. The seats are simply superb.
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The seats are simply superb.



Agree

I'd never have believed that Maidstone to Stuttgart in one day, and the same back two days later, could be done so comfortably. worship
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pzero wrote:
Cheib wrote:

JZM have got a Manual car with Bucket Seats and what looks like a very comprehensive spec for £60k. High mileage car but it’s a good buy I think with that spec.


https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1503/

My old car, good to see it looking as stunning as it always was.
Px'd it in 2014 with 22k miles. The seats are simply superb.


High miler, they won’t pax against it as it’s SOR, but they did just reduce by 4K ( eveidence of falling market) I would of snapped it up if mileage was lower, stunning car.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
pzero wrote:
Cheib wrote:

JZM have got a Manual car with Bucket Seats and what looks like a very comprehensive spec for £60k. High mileage car but it’s a good buy I think with that spec.


https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1503/

My old car, good to see it looking as stunning as it always was.
Px'd it in 2014 with 22k miles. The seats are simply superb.


High miler, they won’t pax against it as it’s SOR, but they did just reduce by 4K ( eveidence of falling market) I would of snapped it up if mileage was lower, stunning car.


16k of those miles were mine, good memories of Lake Garda, Scotland and Germany.
Interestingly, I tried to to px it with a 993 Turbo at JZM in 2013, but the numbers didn't quite work with me being about five bags short. Had I dug behind the sofa and made the deal the then £65k 993 would have been an astute purchase. Hindsight eh Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
pzero wrote:
Cheib wrote:

JZM have got a Manual car with Bucket Seats and what looks like a very comprehensive spec for £60k. High mileage car but it’s a good buy I think with that spec.


https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U1503/

My old car, good to see it looking as stunning as it always was.
Px'd it in 2014 with 22k miles. The seats are simply superb.


High miler, they won’t pax against it as it’s SOR, but they did just reduce by 4K ( eveidence of falling market) I would of snapped it up if mileage was lower, stunning car.


I don’t think they’d PX whether a car is SOR or not. They had a very very quiet winter last year and have it on good authority they didn’t buy a car outright for stock for six months.
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