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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:53 pm    Post subject: Looking for first 911 Reply with quote

This will actually be my first sports car and also used car purchase in 15 years of driving.

I am looking at C4S coupe with PDK around £50k with 20-30k miles and the usual options as I was thinking this would hold value as much as possible if I only do around 5-10k miles a year. Looking for cars with extended Porsche warranty or solid dealer warranty.

Seem to be few and far between available cars and I just can’t decide on buying now or holding off 6 months to see where the market moves as they seem high at the moment and have held well in recent years.

Any thoughts on the above much appreciated and hopefully if do take the plunge I can use the site for more info
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are generally a bit higher spec than a C2S. I guess the buyers tick more of the boxes. You might limit your choices a bit if you set a ceiling of 20-30k miles.

You can apply the Porsche warranty to any suitable cars. No dealer warranty will match it.

Can’t help you with future values.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking for first 911 Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
This will actually be my first sports car and also used car purchase in 15 years of driving.

I am looking at C4S coupe with PDK around £50k with 20-30k miles and the usual options as I was thinking this would hold value as much as possible if I only do around 5-10k miles a year. Looking for cars with extended Porsche warranty or solid dealer warranty.

Seem to be few and far between available cars and I just can’t decide on buying now or holding off 6 months to see where the market moves as they seem high at the moment and have held well in recent years.

Any thoughts on the above much appreciated and hopefully if do take the plunge I can use the site for more info


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Magic said you can add a Porsche warranty to any car from any dealer or private sale , it must be all original and no mods and pass a 111 point check you must have owned the car 90 days so all you need really is a solid 3 mth warranty from the seller plus get the 111 point check done as part of your ppi due dilligence and you know then you good to go with a full Porsche warranty on the car for up to 14 years at about 1k pa. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a minefield when not only buying my first used car but a relatively expensive one.

Probably being overly cautious taking the above into account and brexit looming.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
Such a minefield when not only buying my first used car but a relatively expensive one.

Probably being overly cautious taking the above into account and 911uk looming.


The problem is no ones quite sure what will happen when we exit we didnt crash when it was announced like many thought we would but actually doing it is a leap into the unknown . What we have seen in recent years is little or no depreciation on the 997.2 non GT or turbo cars. and in some cars slight increases in value .
What you need to be careful of is not paying a premium for a very low milage car that you then become scared of enjoying as the value is in the low miles. I would be looking for an ave mile car that a few years of your lowish milage will turn it into a low miler in the future this will then allow you to hopefully get the premuium when selling that you didnt have to pay when buying . All we can say is based on recent years you are unlikely to lose on a 911 anything like you would if you spend the same money on a BMW, MERC, AUDI etc etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That’s my thought process. Years of new car buying is a mugs game but it is stress free really.

Thanks for the detailed response
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upping the mileage to 50k still only brings a few other options into play and they are only £5kish less. It is going to take 3+ years to get there so would be happy to take that hit for the difference in initial purchase cost
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
Upping the mileage to 50k still only brings a few other options into play and they are only £5kish less. It is going to take 3+ years to get there so would be happy to take that hit for the difference in initial purchase cost


If its only 5k difference for same spec cars mate then I would do the same as you Thumb
It is a bit of a journey we have all been through, but as you say better than throwing it away on new cars or lease costs. Thumb it may take a few weeks but the right car will come along . there are some excellent highly regarded dealers and a few questions on here will point you to who good and who to avoid Thumb you may have to pay for the 111 point check yourself before buying but its worth doing and knowing the cars good to a full Porsche warranty as its total peace of mind then . Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a client who owns a few dealerships and recommended 911virgin and they have been really helpful. With most things a forum is a great resource if you use the search facility and trawl through google.

I think I know what I want and what is a ‘good’ car so will go from here and see what may come. I will worry about the negatives when they come!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
I have a client who owns a few dealerships and recommended 911virgin and they have been really helpful. With most things a forum is a great resource if you use the search facility and trawl through google.

I think I know what I want and what is a ‘good’ car so will go from here and see what may come. I will worry about the negatives when they come!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found that if I change the age to 2008 there are more options around £35-40k which is £10k less than the car I am currently interested in which is 20k miles with a trusted dealer. There are a couple with around 40k miles and good history but not specialist dealers.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
With most things a forum is a great resource if you use the search facility and trawl through google.


+1

It still surprises me, on a daily basis, why this form of research isn't used more often than it is.
Good luck on your journey to finding the right 911, and welcome to 911uk Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will worry about the negatives when they come!


Amen to that Grin

And Welcome

What other interesting motors have you had...Range Rover's or an R1 Dont know

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing interesting in the slightest. Current family car is a new Q5 and before that A5 and other boring fords and VW’s. 34 now and with two kids under 4 and business going well I thought it would be good time to treat myself and have 2 decent cars so one of us doesn’t get stuck with our 2011 diesel golf!

Just moved house and competed an expensive renovation over the last 8 months and we had our wedding in the Caribbean a couple of months ago with 35 guests so I may as well finish the year off with a bang.

Other option was a Range Rover but the depreciation is crazy and looking at loosing £20k in the first year or two. If that happens in the 997 then somthing has gone very wrong
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try to go 2010 onwards if you can. I think they sorted out some of the bugs the early cars had.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another Welcome to 911uk

You've got a great budget so be patient and wait for the right car to come along. It's the time of year to buy well so be patient - but don't miss a good one for the sake of trying to get something a bit cheaper.

Anything with less than 40k miles will command a hefty premium and will lose value if used like you intend so cars with 'average 911 mileage' (about 7k a year) would be a good target.

If you want an OPC warranty you'll have to confine your search to a completely standard car. If you find one for sale privately you could arrange for the current owner to get the car onto the warranty scheme before transferring it to you. This would save you waiting the otherwise requisite 90 days.

Just to clarify, the warranty can be applied to cars up to 14 years old so covers cars until they are 15.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so go for something around £40k with double the mileage? there are a couple C4S PDK but not sure about the dealers and their warranty.

there is a great car within spec at £50k with 21k miles. if i add 10k miles to it i suppose i will be back down around £45k in the current market but it does have another year on the manufacturers extended warranty so peace of mind in the first year of ownership with that
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rr1 wrote:
so go for something around £40k with double the mileage? there are a couple C4S PDK but not sure about the dealers and their warranty.

there is a great car within spec at £50k with 21k miles. if i add 10k miles to it i suppose i will be back down around £45k in the current market but it does have another year on the manufacturers extended warranty so peace of mind in the first year of ownership with that


The balancing act between mileage and price is always personal. Sometimes other things like colour combo and spec sway the decision.

If you want an OPC warranty the dealer warranty only needs to be cast iron for the first 3 months and Consumer Rights are on your side anyway. Get an OPC 111 point check done asap ,preferably before buying the car, to see what it might need to get on the OPC scheme in the first place.

£50k for a 21k mile car with 12 months OPC warranty seems like a good deal if the colour combo and spec suits you.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks and appreciate the help. being a newcomer to the used car market it is difficult to get my head around but slowly getting there!
 
  
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