Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:33 pm Post subject: 997 to 993 - Anyone done it?
Just putting the idea out there. I currently own a 997.2 C4S, which I've had a for a few years and is still very much my pride and joy, but there is a 993 air-cooled itch to scratch.
Sooo has anyone jumped from a 997 to 993, if so, I'd like to hear your opinion and reason (pros/cons)
(tried so search for another thread the same, but couldn't see any).
Cheers!
hedgehogsdad Spa-Francorchamps
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:06 pm Post subject:
I had a 964 many years ago. Smaller, noisier, smellier but still a great car, not sure I'd want to go "backwards" though now .... _________________ 2006 997 Turbo
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HSC911 Long Beach
Joined: 23 Jul 2014 Posts: 6110 Location: Bedford
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:10 pm Post subject:
I'd be happy to swap my car for a 964
FZP Sepang
Joined: 18 Jan 2015 Posts: 2946 Location: Cheshire
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 2:12 pm Post subject:
Best start by trying out sandals and socks first as to whether you can cope with that. They're not for everyone. _________________ 997.2 Carrera 2S GT Silver/Cocoa.
Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12689 Location: Cheshire
Spongebob did it and his 'experience' of the transition from 997 to 993 was measured in hours rather than days of ownership.
Take account of what you're used to and what you're potentialy going back to and what you expect to use it for. For example there's more output from an iron lung than the AC in a 993 (if it works)
Dont' fall for the "AC just needs a re-gas" sketch as that usually equates to a £2,000 bill for a new evaporator _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
spongebob squarepants Shanghai
Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 4642 Location: Manchester and Iraq
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:24 pm Post subject:
Zingari wrote:
Spongebob did it and his 'experience' of the transition from 997 to 993 was measured in hours rather than days of ownership.
Take account of what you're used to and what you're potentialy going back to and what you expect to use it for. For example there's more output from an iron lung than the AC in a 993 (if it works)
Dont' fall for the "AC just needs a re-gas" sketch as that usually equates to a £2,000 bill for a new evaporator
it was actually an itch that was scratched for a few days, it was a little like going from a Ford capri ghia back to a Morris Marina. To be fair I hated it within days, the 993 has its advantages over the 997, but I’m struggling to think of any!
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991 C2S X51 powerkit PDK in racing yellow, PCCB, PDCC, PSE, Sports design kit, ducktail.
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moonigan Newbie
Joined: 24 Apr 2017 Posts: 30
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:31 pm Post subject:
I had a 993 C4S 12 years ago. It was a really underwhelming experience and it put me off 911's for a very long time. The 997 I have now is better in just about every department. They are grossly overvalued as well.
MJA911 Sepang
Joined: 10 Dec 2013 Posts: 2767 Location: Berkshire
Made that journey and took the return trip about 7 months later. Loved the 993 as a static object, to tinker with and use for occasional outings, but didn’t really enjoy the drive. In particular couldn’t live with the offset pedals for regular use for which I prefer a modern 911. A humble 986 S fulfils the tinkerer remit, much lower value, lives outside, very enjoyable drive. _________________ 991.1 C2, 986 Boxster S
Past pleasures: 997.1 GT3, 997.2 C4S Cab, 993 C2, 997.1 C2S, 996.1 C4
Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12689 Location: Cheshire
I had a 993 C4S 12 years ago. It was a really underwhelming experience and it put me off 911's for a very long time. The 997 I have now is better in just about every department. They are grossly overvalued as well.
Talk chum and the 993 Illuminati will be boiling the tar and getting the feathers ready. With rose tinted goggles 993 is the most undervalued car and destined for the hall of fame..........or a plinth.
You buy one, pay top dough for it and then don't drive it in case your investment goes out faster than Maxwell's cigar _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
alex yates Le Mans
Joined: 06 Mar 2014 Posts: 15197 Location: The Ribble Valley, Lancashire
..........you save on coolant and replacing radiators. _________________ 2000 Manual 996 C4 Arctic Silver Convertible
spongebob squarepants Shanghai
Joined: 20 Dec 2009 Posts: 4642 Location: Manchester and Iraq
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:20 pm Post subject:
I was just about to post re Jonttt not driving his, then I realised I’ve only done 1400 miles in Herman in nearly a year
Edit* Actually that’s 1398 more than Jon _________________
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EX 993 C2 manual in guards red
EX 997 C2 gen 2 PDK
EX 993 Targa
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Albionmuz Nürburgring
Joined: 28 Oct 2016 Posts: 435 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:25 pm Post subject:
Seems the verdict is “don’t do it”
My experience is that it’s a car that requires more concentration than a modern car, which I actually like. But is only a high days, holidays and continental drives car, not convinced I’d want it as a daily driver in SE England.. Cannot comment on the comparison between later Porsches though as I haven’t had that particular itch yet. _________________ 993 Targa manual
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adamw Estoril
Joined: 09 Jul 2009 Posts: 3800 Location: West Sussex
Made my step in to 911 ownership back in 2009 with a 996 C2 and shortly after also had the air cooled itch.
Swapped 996 for 993 after just 14 months of 996 ownership.
Loved the 993 experience and kept it for 6 years.
Guess it depends how often you use and what you want from the car.
I understand the 993 may grate a little as a daily but it’s such an occasion to drive as a weekend car
Still saying that I’m back in a 996 again now (albeit a turbo) so funny how things work out.
I’d say try a 993 for yourself and see what you think
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stichill99 Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 03 Nov 2013 Posts: 317 Location: Scottish Borders
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:57 pm Post subject: 987 to 993
I went from a 987 to a 993 and to start with I thought 'What the hell have I done'. It is just a weekend car for me but after a few weeks you start to never even think about the driving position and pedals which seemed so weird when I first got it. Build quality is vastly better in the 993 but the biggest difference for me is the engine. It sounds like it is unburstable and very sweet where the 987 was a really whinging sound.
The final thing I would say is I love the compactness of 993,on our local roads it is just perfect!
MattyR Montreal
Joined: 21 Sep 2015 Posts: 581 Location: Somewhere Nr Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:23 pm Post subject:
I sold my 993 back in February. Owned for 5 years and loved it but I always felt limited my the usability of it for anything but a spirited country drive. I’d go so far to say that a 997.2 is the 993’s natural heir i.e. diminutive, pretty, reliable and ‘last-of’ (the na cars).
Having been a member of the air-cooled brigade, it’s a good crack but actually kind of overrated in the sense that you can do much more in something newer. Also the 993 was bloody roasting in the summer- I didn’t have air-con so it was a case of shite myself in the winter and SORN it (dry weather use only sir) and then use it in the summer but sweat buckets. Achingly beautiful though. _________________ Atlas Grau on Ocean Blue Gen 2 997 C2 Carrera
Sold: Aventura Grün 993 C2 Carrera
hopeydaze Silverstone
Joined: 06 Jan 2012 Posts: 133 Location: Wargrave, Berkshire, UK
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:44 pm Post subject:
Wot a load of bollox. I rarely post controversial comments on a forum. However not in this case. I’ve been driving a high mileage 993 C2 coupe, manual of course, as my daily driver for my 12 months of ownership.
I drove it to Dinslaken in May with 997phil and the 997 gang. It kept up and I had more fun than anyone else.
I love driving my 993 to work every day in Reading, driving down the M4 to Bath each weekend and using the roof rack to transport a rowing boat or bike.
The pedals don’t bother me
Maintenance costs are high, a/c cost £2,000 to fix, and I bought at the top of the market so it will depreciate.
MattyR Montreal
Joined: 21 Sep 2015 Posts: 581 Location: Somewhere Nr Tunbridge Wells, Kent
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:54 pm Post subject:
fair dos mate. I like your enthusiasm. A rowing boat indeed! _________________ Atlas Grau on Ocean Blue Gen 2 997 C2 Carrera
Sold: Aventura Grün 993 C2 Carrera
Don’t know how you can compare the two . Never had a 997 and never want or wanted one. You either love air cooled or you don’t . Simple as that for me . For me it’s about how a car makes you feel when you smell it and drive it . Not how it drives . Yes a 997 got to be a better drive but so would a Ford Focus. Mountain Bike and road racing bike comes to mind . What’s better .
Windy101 Monza
Joined: 05 Jun 2015 Posts: 200
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:32 pm Post subject:
elee wrote:
Don’t know how you can compare the two . Never had a 997 and never want or wanted one. You either love air cooled or you don’t . Simple as that for me . For me it’s about how a car makes you feel when you smell it and drive it . Not how it drives . Yes a 997 got to be a better drive but so would a Ford Focus. Mountain Bike and road racing bike comes to mind . What’s better .
I have a 993 and a 997. The 993 is smaller and has much more character, the 997 is more comfortable and is quicker. The 993, which I have had for 17 years, hits a sweet spot given the build quality, size, noise and reliability. You can use more of its performance on the roads as well.
tyinsky Montreal
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 545 Location: London, UK
I ***** love mine. Had a 964 originally which I loved and incidentally was no slower than a 997 in the real world. I remember taking it to North Wales with two friends who had 997s and was struggling to get my keys back off them. Eventually sold it as I got fed up with oil leaks and the maintenance costs. Bought a 987 Spyder which was a brilliant car to drive but ultimately not as enjoyable overall as the air-cooled car. Went back to an air-cooled 911 in the shape of a 993S, it being the one that I loved the most and it hasn’t disappointed.
What I like about it:
It’s a 911 (as is a 997).
Practical enough to use (as is a 997).
Air-cooled. The noise, smell, ‘feel’ of the engine is unique.
It reminds me of a VW Beetle I once had. Like a guilty pleasure.
I’ve lusted after one since they first came out.
They are super classy and you can turn up anywhere in one. To most people they don’t even look valuable.
It will cross Europe without an issue, or equally be fun on a track day (as would a 997)
Fast enough to enjoy. And you feel the speed you are doing.
Small. You can hustle one along a B road still
Electronics have not taken over.
It has a 'man and machine’ feeling.
The doors shut with a ‘thunk’.
The upright windscreen.
993s are beautiful. It makes me smile just looking at one.
What I don’t like (but am happy to put up with):
Holy Mother of God the maintenance bills can be eye watering.
Coming out of a 997, you will probably notice the smell of oil and the ancient looking cabin most. The cabin feels much older in places than the late 1990s. But then the 997 cabin looks dated now compared modern stuff. Other than that I can’t see what’s not to like.
Have had so many highlights in mine in the last couple of years. It has seen some of the best roads in Ireland, Scotland, Wales (multiple times)… even took it on a couple of business meetings just outside Nice in the South of France collecting speeding tickets from the Gendarmes along the Route Napoleon. Sunroof open, windows down up in the mountains listening to the engine and a bit of Serge Gainsbourg on the crappy stereo on my way back home is something I will never forget. Was still able to hit 160 chasing a new Audi coupe thing en route to the Tunnel.
Currently starting to hatch a plan to ship it to the States for a few weeks to do a road trip. I can tell you hand on heart that if I owned a 997 (and very, very good cars they are) I would not be doing this. Nor would I be doing it with any car I have ever owned before. There is just something special about it. They are both charming and engaging to drive. Some people get them, others don’t.
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Talk chum and the 993 Illuminati will be boiling the tar and getting the feathers ready. With rose tinted goggles 993 is the most undervalued car and destined for the hall of fame..........or a plinth.
