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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:28 pm    Post subject: Advice please on car I am looking to buy Reply with quote

Hi,

Have posted recently on looking to move into the 911 family.

I have seen and driven a car locally and I am a big fan of it, details below:


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201803194721701?atmobcid=soc3


The car has been serviced by a local Indy for the last 4 years, the same place who they will put it through a service with pre-purchase and who I will be asking to complete a PPI and borescope. Car is very tidy compared to what I would expect for the year (based on my limited knowledge and what I have garnered from you gents/ladies on here).

Would like to understand if you think this is a fair price point for the car as the dealer is not moving much apart from putting a service on the car and and dealing with any fallout of that and a new mot (clearing any advisories). I am comfortable financially for it and leaving myself a couple grand for the first year of ownership (to cover the unknown!)

Any comments or advice gratefully accepted.

Cheers,

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd get a third party to PPI, the old Judge and Executioner story, but that's just me Judge

2 small things about the ad' frustrated :

1) wheels bolts Dont know

2) Swinton insurance and old tax disc paperwork nooo

Pics look really good though Thumb

I hope she's yours soon thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a 6 year service gap too

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like a decent car at a price that was about right until the recent lull.

The front end looks very clean which probably means that like most 14 year old 911s it's had a repaint. Double, nay treble check that you're happy with the colour match of the wings and front PU (bumper) to the rest of the car because if you're not it will bug you forever. Silver is very hard to get right.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
Looks like a 6 year service gap too

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Brake fluid Cop


Brake fluid is pic 40 and easy to spot Wink

Check out pic 39, near the keys

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
It looks like a decent car at a price that was about right until the recent lull.

The front end looks very clean which probably means that like most 14 year old 911s it's had a repaint. Double, nay treble check that you're happy with the colour match of the wings and front PU (bumper) to the rest of the car because if you're not it will bug you forever. Silver is very hard to get right.

Good Luck Thumb


Damn you!! Once its seen it cannot be unseen... Bumper in the pictures looks a different shade, will need to see it again in the flesh and out in natural light


Thanks for that - exactly the type of stuff I am looking for help with, not exactly something to prevent moving forward but it is useful for weighing up
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
I'd get a third party to PPI, the old Judge and Executioner story, but that's just me Judge

2 small things about the ad' frustrated :

1) wheels bolts Dont know

2) Swinton insurance and old tax disc paperwork nooo

Pics look really good though Thumb

I hope she's yours soon thumbsup



That makes sense and is good advice, will look to go to a different place for inspection. Wheel bolts is another good spot that I had missed
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
Looks like a 6 year service gap too

Confused


How concerning should this be? I can check through the paperwork to see if theres anything, see if redline had hold of the car within that window (they did the services each side of the gap)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
Looks like a 6 year service gap too

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But the write up states "boasting full service history". Surely they wouldn't lie just to get you through the door..... or would they...?

Anyway, I think it makes my Midnight Blue one with fewer miles look a positive bargain. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it has 6 year service gap, don't buy it simple as that, massively devalues it. I was looking at a very nice 997.1 Turbo, same thing big service gap, its still for sale months later.
On that subject a stamp isn't a service unless its backed by invoices (for me anyway)
911v have a lovely red turbo in at the moment, I'm sure they will sell it, but 4 year service gap, that car would be already gone normally before the pics were taken.....
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
If it has 6 year service gap, don't buy it simple as that, massively devalues it. I was looking at a very nice 997.1 Turbo, same thing big service gap, its still for sale months later.
On that subject a stamp isn't a service unless its backed by invoices (for me anyway)
911v have a lovely red turbo in at the moment, I'm sure they will sell it, but 4 year service gap, that car would be already gone normally before the pics were taken.....


Assume you meant to say 'go for it, it will be fine...'

Advice heeded and will avoid.

Early days in this search and conscious I need to be patient but damn there is so much to take in and consider each time!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KA wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
If it has 6 year service gap, don't buy it simple as that, massively devalues it. I was looking at a very nice 997.1 Turbo, same thing big service gap, its still for sale months later.
On that subject a stamp isn't a service unless its backed by invoices (for me anyway)
911v have a lovely red turbo in at the moment, I'm sure they will sell it, but 4 year service gap, that car would be already gone normally before the pics were taken.....


Assume you meant to say 'go for it, it will be fine...'

Advice heeded and will avoid.

Early days in this search and conscious I need to be patient but damn there is so much to take in and consider each time!!


I'm gunning for dealers today lol. Here's the lowdown from the dealer... The wonders of modern tech. Grin According to Liam its mileage not age dependent... And although its has full history he needs to check, surely do that before advertising it?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this the good Redline or the bad one Dont know

Angel or Bandit

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this the good Redline or the bad one Dont know

Angel or Bandit

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This is Aklam car centre
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
HSC911 wrote:
Is this the good Redline or the bad one Dont know

Angel or Bandit

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This is Aklam car centre


wack

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting a checklist together from all the tidbits of advice given... Don't suppose theres already one established?

Trying to expand my search radius and look further afield - preference would be a 997 - ideally Gen2 as from what I read they are more 'reliable' would a budget topping out at 35k get one or is it just unrealistic and should be aiming either for a solid 996 (without 6 year gaps!) or a Gen1 997 like this one?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807138400306?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=30&model=911&body-type=Coupe&make=PORSCHE&postcode=nw12at&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=40000&sort=mileage&year-from=2007&transmission=Automatic&maximum-mileage=70000&drivetrain=Four%20Wheel%20Drive&page=1

Is there such a thing as a finding service anywhere? Would happily pay a chunk for sourcing, inspections and delivery.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KA wrote:
Putting a checklist together from all the tidbits of advice given... Don't suppose theres already one established?

Trying to expand my search radius and look further afield - preference would be a 997 - ideally Gen2 as from what I read they are more 'reliable' would a budget topping out at 35k get one or is it just unrealistic and should be aiming either for a solid 996 (without 6 year gaps!) or a Gen1 997 like this one?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201807138400306?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=30&model=911&body-type=Coupe&make=PORSCHE&postcode=nw12at&advertising-location=at_cars&price-to=40000&sort=mileage&year-from=2007&transmission=Automatic&maximum-mileage=70000&drivetrain=Four%20Wheel%20Drive&page=1

Is there such a thing as a finding service anywhere? Would happily pay a chunk for sourcing, inspections and delivery.


Everyone will have their opinions, although its generally recognized every new model brings improvements Thumb If your a worrier like me youll go gen 2 (unless your names Phil your unlikely to have any major issues) Grin
Likewise on a 997 gen 1 you'd be unlucky, but the engine has a fundamental design floor which can lead to bore scoring, which the gen 2 doesn't have. Also I'm sure you've read about the other potential issues with IMS.
Gen 2 's have dropped recently and your budget will get you into one. Both Dovehouse and Ashgood are well respected and have cars around that budget. In todays sales climate id be expecting 2 k off those prices though , enough for an OPC warranty? As with the advice given from Akram you can see you should only really buy these vehicles form a specialist/OPC or privately from an enthusiast.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you seem to be happy to push your budget a bit , but noting your looking for a wide body car and one with 60k odd miles . you should consider something like this . wide body cars are always going to be a bit more money and the same in narrow body would be early 30k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802073499432?model=911&postcode=nw12at&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&make=PORSCHE&sort=sponsored&aggregatedTrim=997%20Carrera&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&year-from=2009&page=1
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
As you seem to be happy to push your budget a bit , but noting your looking for a wide body car and one with 60k odd miles . you should consider something like this . wide body cars are always going to be a bit more money and the same in narrow body would be early 30k

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201802073499432?model=911&postcode=nw12at&radius=1500&advertising-location=at_cars&make=PORSCHE&sort=sponsored&aggregatedTrim=997%20Carrera&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&year-from=2009&page=1


Karl, this one that Phil has pointed out is a winner Thumb Go have a look quickly and I'm pretty sure you'll be a Porsche owner soon !
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