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Pip1968
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheib wrote:
Just re the comment above about the size of the 991 GT3 vs older cars. I've got a 991.2 GT3 and a 997 GTS which is I believe the same wide body width as the 997.2 GT3 RS. My garages are very narrow so am acutely aware of the width of both....the 991.2 GT3 is no wider than the wide body 997. Sure it's a bit longer but it's the width that people always seem to comment about on UK roads.


Just out of interest dimensions are I believe as follows:

997 GT3 RS .......w 1852 l 4460
991 GT3 RS .......w 1880 l 4557

So there is about an inch (28mm) difference in width and four inches in length (100mm). They definately look too big to be sporty even if that is not the case. I think the problem arises on spirited drives on B roads where a car coming the other which may cause issues. Clearly fine on the empty European roads.

As for marketing and prices I think the market is very different. With the loss of tactlity and driver involvement in the 991 it is attracted to those just after the latest model. Additionally those after straight line speed. I cannot see 991 GT3/RS holding their values as well as 997/996 or being quite as investment opportunity geared. The only caveat is possibly the manual 991.2 GT3.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

991 GT3RS is the even wider WB though isn’t it? GT3 is not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic919 wrote:
991 GT3RS is the even wider WB though isn’t it? GT3 is not.


997 GT3 is narrow bodied so the GTS version is wider. They use the same shell but GT3 has narrow body rear panels attached
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well rather oddly the Porsche AG site shows the 991 GT3 RS as having a narrower wheelbase than the GT3:-

991 GT3 RS wheelbase 2453mm
991 GT3 ................. 2457mm

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheelbase is nothing to do with the width. Bit early for Sherry.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pip1968 wrote:
Well rather oddly the Porsche AG site shows the 991 GT3 RS as having a narrower wheelbase than the GT3:-

991 GT3 RS wheelbase 2453mm
991 GT3 ................. 2457mm

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Shorter wheelbase, or narrower track?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No 991 GT car is ever going to be rare. Porsche spat these out in numbers.

That said, ALL GT cars are special and therefore will hold their value over the non-GT variants.

I agree that the 996/97 seem to be the strongest bet at the moment.

I don't think the 991.1GT3 would ever be worth less than a 997 or 996 version?

IMO the 991.1 will bottom out at 90K for the GT3 and 120k for the RS
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think the 991.1GT3 would ever be worth less than a 997 or 996 version?


Erm - you can already get a 991.1 GT3 for less than a 997.2 GT3, so ... not the case Question
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it would apply to the .1 versions of each, bit of a stretch for me to imagine my humble 7.1 being worth more than a 9.1 with things like mileage and condition being equal, for their age.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
jotaking wrote:
I don't think the 991.1GT3 would ever be worth less than a 997 or 996 version?


Erm - you can already get a 991.1 GT3 for less than a 997.2 GT3, so ... not the case Question


Totally, and they will fall further eventually due to the sheer volume made in comparison to the older models
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I meant 997.1
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jotaking wrote:
I meant 997.1


It will happen, eventually
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
Pip1968 wrote:
Well rather oddly the Porsche AG site shows the 991 GT3 RS as having a narrower wheelbase than the GT3:-

991 GT3 RS wheelbase 2453mm
991 GT3 ................. 2457mm

Pip Question


Shorter wheelbase, or narrower track?

MC


RS has wider track, done by the wheel widths and offsets

991 has a longer wheelbase than a 997 by about 100mm. This was one of the main factors with the 991 Carrera being able to offer greater leg room in the rear for the demographic. Also the main driver for the decision to add RWS steer to the GT3 variants to return the agility lost to the 997 which RWS achieves in spades!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunno wrote:
Magic919 wrote:
991 GT3RS is the even wider WB though isn’t it? GT3 is not.


997 GT3 is narrow bodied so the GTS version is wider. They use the same shell but GT3 has narrow body rear panels attached


Question there is another difference to the shell as you can see by the sills.
 
  
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