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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, I popped into BMW:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can just use the right input if you only have a single output for the sub? I had a stereo output, so I used both,
But you can fit a Y splitter such as this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20cm-RCA-PHONO-Y-SPLITTER-CABLE-ADAPTER-1-Female-to-2-x-Male-RED-WHITE-PLUGS/362258329430?hash=item5458476f56:g:fqQAAOSwEoxamr0J:rk:6:pf:0
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it wasn't tipping it down today I got a bit of work done.

The Focal will absolutely not fit under the seat, it's now in the rear passenger footwell, with a mat over the top of it. I'll have to see if my OCD can cope with that.

I got the rear speakers in, they have different mounts from the fronts as there is much less space to put speaker in.




I labelled up everything behind the dash before taking it apart - a lack of courage maybe, but I'm now confident that I won't lock all the doors when intending on turning the traction control off.



The handbrake/gear-lever unit needs to come out tomorrow, then I can put in my newly slimmed down harness. From this:



To this (changed to line-out rather than speaker-out):



I'm also putting a bluetooth receiver in the sub-elbow storage bin that my phone can connect to. The bluetooth receiver connects to the radio and presents as "AUX", this way I don't have to have a cable visible anywhere.



Tomorrow I need to get the door cards off to install the woofers, finish the cabling in the cabin, then it's onto mounting the amp and plugging everything into it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love all this stuff!! But I bet there are a lot of people have kittens just looking at what you've done! Very Happy worship

I did say that the focal wouldn't fit under the seat....
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is not a thread i have followed or indeed read all the posts but as i understand it you have the amp on your back seat ??

Ok a slightly better place but the wiring will need to be extended ..

Cab roof in service position .. remove the carpet there and fit it by the dme or in that area .. remove a rear quarter panel trim and run the wiring behind it .

I would have thought an amp would fit under the passenger seat with it in the raised position but if not i dont see many options .

Behind the rear seat .. hmm .. your not going to like that long term i feel .. it feels wrong to me anyways Smile .

Rear cubby hole .. ie the storgage over the rear seats you have mentioned and that would work fine .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amp is going to be in the standard location.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok .. change amp to focal on my post ... the biggest space is by the dme .

Im trying to help here .. honest Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't pretend that I'm happy about the Focal situation, however - to even get it under the seat I'd need to move the DME, and that's something I don't want to do.

Putting it behind the rear seats, on the shelf that the roof stows into would require the amp bolting down - its heavy, with sharp edges.

It's a shame that the Porsche Bose sub didn't seem to want to fit, as (location-wise) that's a good call.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the passenger seat on your car is the alarm Control unit .. not really possible to move with out an awfull lot of work ..

The only option i can think of is behind the roll bars .. so you need to remove the rear carpet under the hood .. there is space but its not huge .. i dont know how big this focal is but its all i can think of ..

For sound though its in the right place .

Carpet out and you can see the " hole " im thinking of .

You may be able to bolt it to the floor in that place but it would be a case of slowly lowering the roof to see if it would fit under the roof when opening it ... im not sure there with out looking but i dont think so .. roof would squash it .

Other than that its behind one of the seats .. there simply is no room anywhere else .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting - didn't know there was an area under the carpet.

Focal dimensions:
Height: 71.5mm (2.8”)
Length: 344mm (13.5”)
Width: 250mm (9,8”)

Problem is I have a glass rear window, and I don't want to risk breaking that.

Do the roll hoops and their attendant mechanisms totally fill the area just behind the seats?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All i can suggest is to remove the rear carpet at the back and look at what access you have .. from the dimensions then you may be able to shoe horn it in there .. carpet removal is a couple of plastic bungs and pushing the carpet down and out of the side fixings .

I cant see what you are doing but thats the only space i can think of .. it takes 5 mins R&R to remove the carpet so worth a look as i have no other ideas Smile

Its not a huge space but its all i can come up with im afraid .. i try my best.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the info, I'll check it out tomorrow (if it's not raining).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Sub location, I used a modified box of Shreddies to mock up the sub & check possible locations.

I've been considering:

Focal ibus20
Kenwood Ksc-psw8 / JVC CW-DRA8 (same parent company & essentially the same product specs)

Unfortunately none of these will fit under my seats. The best compromise I've found seems to be mounted on its edge in the passenger footwell & tucked up on the right against the tunnel/HVAC/cubby holes. This should also facilitate using shorter RCA leads & make the wiring a little easier.

Covering the unit with some acoustic carpet attached with velcro should help to make it more discreet.
You might want to check how that works for you vs rear footwell.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Iain / DeMort

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the Focal is a powered, slimline, sub-woofer. So a bass speaker - and as such, it really needs to be inside the cabin to be effective.

Under the roof space would be an intriguing place for (just) an amp though - thought it would involve routing new speaker wires.. and stuff! Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photographs later as I am on my phone now- got all the behind dash wiring done, ran the wires for the sub, plugged the Cascade Pro in to have a listen- would not turn on.

Went to the garage, got a new/boxed Continental radio, plugged it in- works at once. *****.

Just on my way back from dropping the Becker off with a bloke who will see if it’s dead, or can be brought back to life. Very annoying!

Does anyone know of a radio that has line-out for all speaker channels and sub, that would look ok in a 996, should the Becker be beyond repair?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halcyon wrote:
Hi Iain / DeMort

I'm not sure if you are aware, but the Focal is a powered, slimline, sub-woofer. So a bass speaker - and as such, it really needs to be inside the cabin to be effective.

Under the roof space would be an intriguing place for (just) an amp though - thought it would involve routing new speaker wires.. and stuff! Thumb


I did think it was an amp at first but now realise its a sub.

Dammits car is a Cab so the rear section with the roof closed is inside the car .. a bit further back than would be a good position but as i understand it its a bass speaker and can be balenced to give a louder output or is it just wired to rear speakers ? .. (i follow instructions with things like this im afraid ) .

Either way you balence more to the rear and get the desired effect .

There are so few places to fit hings like this hence i suggested the only place i could think of .

Carpet out is a 5 min job so pretty quick to see if it will fit in that space .. other than that your kinda stuck with behind the rear seats .. which is not central and i think would annoy even me .

Btw .. Iain is fine Very Happy

The Becker has died Surprised .. dam im sorry .. i seem to remember that it wasnt cheap .
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this before I converted to double DIN



The orange (you can change all of the illuminations) matches the Porsche dash colours
Sounds very good and has loads of features

I still have it in the cupboard Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

deMort wrote:


Dammits car is a Cab so the rear section with the roof closed is inside the car .. a bit further back than would be a good position but as i understand it its a bass speaker and can be balenced to give a louder output or is it just wired to rear speakers ? .. (i follow instructions with things like this im afraid ) .
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I will have to have a look at that over the holidays - the head unit can adjust the sub output and if there's room back there, I think that would be a great place for it! Out of the way and as long as it's still audible, it might be a great compromise!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im afraid i cant say if it will actually fit but its the best place i can think of .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbKYqIYAes
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only similar in look to becker is continental/vdo
http://www.vdoshop.co.uk/acatalog/CDD7418UB-OR.html
Has same mini iso blocks I believe not phono outs

Otherwise something like this pioneer DEHX7800 has 3 sets of phono outs and you can change the display colour
http://caraudiosecurity.com/deh-x7800dab-cd-mp3-tuner-usb-dab-iphone-android-ready
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