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maxpedals
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 8:17 pm    Post subject: On the hunt for a 996 C4S Reply with quote

Hello all, first post here!

I'm on a path that seems all too familiar around these parts at the moment, the search for a decent manual C4S below 25k Very Happy

A few cars I keep coming back to are these, any thoughts on them?

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/2002-porsche-996-carrera-4s/8372783

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/porsche-996-carrera-4s-stunning-condition/8430587
(I drove this one and loved it, just a tad over the budget.

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/porsche-911-996-carrera-4s-2002/8618860

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/porsche-911-996-carrera-4-coupe-s-2dr/8662155

http://www.classicandsportscar.com/classifieds/classic-cars/porsche/911-carrera-996/porsche-911-996-carrera-4s-manual/8627882
 
  
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HSC911
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Mr Pedals Grin

There was a member on here who had a cracker thumbsup

I will try and find the thread

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Marky911
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome along!

I was going to say I'd be trying to stretch the budget for the car you drove and loved.
It looks like Phil Raby properly sorts the cars he sells. MOT with any advisories attended to and 6 months warranty from himself.

An extra £2k/£3k may seem a stretch but it's a tiny price for trouble free motoring in a sorted car.

But...

Reading the advert again it doesn't mention suspension refresh, rads, condensers, waterpump, LTT, coolant flush, AOS, etc etc.

So on reflection yeah don't bother. Just because a car has been serviced and has no mot advisories doesn't mean it doesn't need thousands spending on it.
Suspension alone can cost thousands for all new components plus coilovers.

You want an enthusiast owned car off the likes of here.
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Enjoy the search but be aware of potential mechanical woes. Especially borescore on the 3.6.
 
  
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DCE
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was always told the c4s have the highest ims failures on all the models and to avoid the low mileage cars as they are prone for failure and anything over 129k are less likely to fail if had regular oil changes. Correct me if I’m wrong I’m going back 3 years now
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found it:

http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8340
 
  
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asterix_the_gaul
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

love the first one but I'm a bit blue biased. Interior is a bit marmite.

Had you seen [/url]http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=8340[url][/url]
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DCE
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like be the rear bumper on the black last one , can anyone identify it as it’s not stock . Anyone please?
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C4-STORM
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCE wrote:
I like be the rear bumper on the black last one , can anyone identify it as it’s not stock . Anyone please?


Standard Turbz bumpers mate Confused
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DCE
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks mate !
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C4-STORM
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCE wrote:
I was always told the c4s have the highest ims failures on all the models and to avoid the low mileage cars as they are prone for failure and anything over 129k are less likely to fail if had regular oil changes. Correct me if I’m wrong I’m going back 3 years now


See Alex IMS thread: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=100994

Some low mileage examples may fail (as can high miles) but again I think the odds are fairly limited and failures are more down to the overall type/s of usage, drive cycles, owners etc.

I had heard that tips are more prone to bore score than MT's but then again there is no clutch assembly to go wrong and a tip is less likely to have had the engine thrashed by a wannabe race driver Grin

What happens at 130k Question
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bakerboy4s
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
The first on the list has good history and clutch/ ims replaced
 
  
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Jonnywise
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: 996 Reply with quote

I think you will struggle a bit to find one that matches
All your needs.dont rush into it if you have to save
Some more money to buy the right car then that’s
What you have to do.ims etc etc dont concern yourself
With all the scare mungering,get the car inspected
And drive it.bore scoring can happen anytime as can the ims bearing
No matter what checks you have done.if all you are going to do is think about
These issues you won’t enjoy your car
 
  
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BChivs
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck on the search....they are amazing cars but your search will also highlight the market is swamped with dogs.
These cars were very cheap to buy at one stage and whilst prices have risen the bargain Porsche for mondeo money is there to bite....I unfortunately found this out the hard way and that was after viewing 6 cars, carrying out a PPI and doing what I believed to be due dillegence!
If you get a good one the tick so many boxes.....i wouldn’t rule out another one of these, I loved mine but for me to buy another it would need to have had the Hartech treatment.
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Osh
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned mine now for 3 years - i've done c30k miles in that period and she's never let me down. Every miles a smile.

I spent 4 hours washing and polishing her at the weekend; its a beautiful sunny day here in Bristol and i've just been out at lunchtime for a golf lesson - drove there all the way with the roof down listening to Radio PSE playing all my favourite tunes.

Hope you find a nice example - when you do make sure you get a full PPI by a reputable source. If they say its fine then buy and drive her like you stole her. Cool

Good luck with your search and keep refreshing this thread and let us all know how you get on; when you get close to biying her don't be afraid to come on here and ask any questions - no matter how daft you think they might be.

When you are parting with your hard-earned there's no daft questions m8. Thumb


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PDCC4S
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:13 pm    Post subject: reply Reply with quote

Hi

All 5 cars look stunning in the adds I loved the lapis blue car until I met with the mustard interior which kinda put me off. When I was looking last year lapis blue was my first choice colour but after a few months gave up & went for a black on black c4s. After nearly a year im happy with my colour choice & if I had to do it all again I may be tempted to look at the c4s from M.R Sportscars. Don't rush I went looking for aprox 3/4 months. Happy hunting let us all know how you progress.

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toddy2
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Joined: 11 Jan 2015
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Location: Dorset


PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to see you're looking for a manual. I like the one on offer from NVT

Good luck with the search
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's a tip but fancy a 'cheap' Turbo Dont know

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/porsche-996-turbo/323237930339?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Discussed here too:

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=127698

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mr gill
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was all set to sell mine last year, had the advert written ready... I just couldn’t bring myself to go through with it! I’m determined to sell this year now, I just need to break the emotional attachment! it’s the longest I have ever owned a car (6years) . So to the op, if you are interested it’s a 2004 manual with factory aerokit, switchable pse, pcm, rare x73, hardback sport seats and 93k miles and a folder with pretty much every receipt in my ownership and lots of paperwork before that. Looking at current values I am thinking along the lines of £23k, please anyone chime in if I am out on my valuation! If you google image search ‘996 c4s aerokit x73’ it’s on the third row with my nephew sitting in it!
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BK911
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's possible. Go for a car that's had some of the main work done. I bought a car at your budget last summer that had the IMS, RMS, Clutch, Brakes and a big service. Since then I've done the suspension, media unit, overhauled the exhaust, treated the leather and put a fresh set of MPS on it. Done!

This amount of work could easily touch £10k. A C4s at approx 16 years old will need this lot done. If it hasn't and the car is £25k then you might want to look around for one that has... Not many around but there will be eventually.

I'd pay a dealer £30k if all the work had recently been carried out.

As a minimum I'd only pay £25k - £27k if the IMS had been done and half the work I've listed also been done recently by a known specialist like Parr or Hartech etc. My car owes me close to £30k now as I've spent finished the "heavy" maintenance.. Use her everyday and she's up to date, immaculate with low mileage (don't let low miles put you off if the IMS and there's no borescore.. always get the engine checked!!).

They're wonderful cars. Utter bargains at the current level.

Best of Luck.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car is for sale at the moment.

On Pistonheads = Black car @ £27,999. Link removed by moderator

It's had a full rebuild at Hartech (all 6) and almost everything else done including:

New coffin/track control arms (The other two were replaced by Barry)
Had a full geo set up at Hartech
Fitted new air con condensers
Fitted new clutch and dual mass fly wheel
Replaced gearbox linkage cables
Replaced discs and pads all round
New engine mounts
New water pump
Full set of N rated PS2 tyres
Various other bits and bobs, Mechanical and cosmetic.

Added up my receipts this morning, Nearly 10K.

PS, Current owners. I don't recommend adding up your invoices. That will put a damper on your Friday!
 
  
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