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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:35 am    Post subject: Kline exhaust for 996 Carrera C2? Reply with quote

Looking for some advice re exhaust replacement. The silencers on my 03 C2 Cab are looking a bit shabby and starting to leak. They are the originals so 15 years old and 72k miles and need replacing.

Would it be overkill to fit Klines? They seem to be very popular with Turbos and are very nice looking bits of kit, but I'm wondering if they'll be wasted on a non-turbo £20k car (albeit one that rrp'd at £70k).

Against that is the thought that £1000-£1200 on a standard s/s kit is just maintenance like replacing tyres - needs to be done - whereas 3k on a Kline is expenditure on something that is a superb bit of kit and an improvement on the original.

Any advice most welcome.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want Kline, get Kline.

No you won't get the £3K back when you come to sell, but if it sounds great, you'll enjoy the car a lot more and maybe claw 1/3 back if you ever sell (which will be easier, if it sounds great).
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it go Kline. I fitted one to me C4s and it was absolutely perfect for noise fitment etc. No droning, sounded amazing. I didn't realize there £3k now though, my £1600 seems like a bargin then!!

Im trying to replicate that on the C2 but its just not getting close.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Kline on my 2004 3.6 C2. "I love it" as the man said. Not intrusive at low revs but definitely not stock. As the revs get above 3.5k the sound is superb. I deliberately hold the lower gear to get my morning fix as i pull to the motorway on my way to work. Not cheap but I don't regret it
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine being fitted this week...can't wait😃
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do Kline make headers for the 996? (either the 3.4 or 3.6 - i.e. the same, but OEM 3.4 were "skinnier")
- I'm sure I've seen a full system by them, but now I only seem to see the sports cat x-pipe and backboxes as an option....?
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine was just cats + backboxes.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who are interested, I asked the question of Nine Excellence (who are one of the UK Kline distributors)...
- apparently Kline do definitely still make manifolds, so a FULL system, or either half is possible (9e have now updated their own website)

www.nineexcellence.com/upgrades/exhausts.html?find=996--1998-2005--c2-97-00-2899

I'm fairly happy with my Top Gear x-pipe and Cargraphic backboxes, but if I wanted to spend money on some good manifolds I'd definitely be tempted to save for a Kline pair(!)
(I'm far from convinced re. the £100 "ebay" option - having fitted and since removed a set, back in favour of some ceramic coated 996.2 OEM headers...)
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy prices!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone compared a Kline 996 system to a Top Gear system? Christian, (who owns Kline) is the half brother of Alex at Top Gear. Alex's father owns Top Gear and Alex did mention the Top Gear x-pipe is the same design as the Kline one...

I'm sure the Kline systems are lovely, but they cost twice as much as much as a Top Gear system and I am not sure they are worth the extra? Dont know
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was about £1600 for mine (2years ago) and at that time I was still thinking it was a lot.
Admittedly they are very well made and sound is perfect so its a big commitment.

Saying that my badge on the x-pipe fell off after a couple of days Laughing .
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fastlane wrote:
Has anyone compared a Kline 996 system to a Top Gear system? Christian, (who owns Kline) is the half brother of Alex at Top Gear. Alex's father owns Top Gear and Alex did mention the Top Gear x-pipe is the same design as the Kline one...

I'm sure the Kline systems are lovely, but they cost twice as much as much as a Top Gear system and I am not sure they are worth the extra? Dont know


Ive now got the Topgear 200cell x-pipe and they are very similar. Welding etc did seem nicer on the Kline with a definite high quality feel. I do think the Topgear stuff is very good value and for most people spot on.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

coullstar wrote:
Ive now got the Topgear 200cell x-pipe and they are very similar. Welding etc did seem nicer on the Kline with a definite high quality feel. I do think the Topgear stuff is very good value and for most people spot on.


Interesting. As with so many products in life (Apple especially) I have a feeling that the price differential is more about the "brand" than the quality or performance of the product... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fastlane wrote:
Has anyone compared a Kline 996 system to a Top Gear system? Christian, (who owns Kline) is the half brother of Alex at Top Gear. Alex's father owns Top Gear and Alex did mention the Top Gear x-pipe is the same design as the Kline one...

I'm sure the Kline systems are lovely, but they cost twice as much as much as a Top Gear system and I am not sure they are worth the extra? Dont know


I'd be damned interested to know if the manifold designs are as closely related?!!
- £450 for the Top Gear manifolds is plenty appealing..

TG have a vid embedded on their page re. the full system - always had to get a real feel from a vid, but.... the last minute or so as they pass into the tunnel are 'interesting'......
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demon wrote:
I'd be damned interested to know if the manifold designs are as closely related?!!
- £450 for the Top Gear manifolds is plenty appealing..

TG have a vid embedded on their page re. the full system - always had to get a real feel from a vid, but.... the last minute or so as they pass into the tunnel are 'interesting'......


I would too!

What do you mean by "interesting"?
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fastlane wrote:
demon wrote:
I'd be damned interested to know if the manifold designs are as closely related?!!
- £450 for the Top Gear manifolds is plenty appealing..

TG have a vid embedded on their page re. the full system - always had to get a real feel from a vid, but.... the last minute or so as they pass into the tunnel are 'interesting'......


I would too!

What do you mean by "interesting"?


The guy driving seems to be holding back (considering he's recorded the sales pitch for an exhaust) - there only appears to be one part where he really opens it up.... but then you realise he's just reacting to the appearance of a tunnel the way most of us do : )
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demon wrote:
The guy driving seems to be holding back (considering he's recorded the sales pitch for an exhaust) - there only appears to be one part where he really opens it up.... but then you realise he's just reacting to the appearance of a tunnel the way most of us do : )


Yeah I saw that, looks like he go back through the tunnel later in the video - perhaps he was just driving with traffic and just couldn't open it up?

What did you think of the sound?
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think with these videos its more a case of focusing on what you don't hear, as much as what you do - no-one seems to be able to capture the true sound of an exhaust in person with youtube
i.e. didn't sound boomy, didn't sound overly "shrill" at higher revs, didn't sound too guttural/dustbin-like at idle/low revs (which doesnt suit a water cooled 6 cylinder boxer engine to my view)

I'm pretty tempted to add a set of Topgear manifolds to my set up
- I dont imagine they'll really add any power or totally change the sound, but the materials should be better able to survive the conditions they are subject to (as long as you periodically replace the bolts) and they shouldn't introduce any restrictions or ruin the sound of the car (which is the impression I took away from my brief spell with the "ebay specials")

....I'm almost wishing my current manifolds to start getting tatty so that I can justify it....... : )
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean. Just to let you know that it's me in the video - I don't work for Top Gear, but I had just had the 200 cell cats fitted by them and they asked of they could strap a Go Pro on a do a video. The cats were added to their sport sound boxes and manifolds, which were put on by the PO. The traffic was the reason I couldn't open it up until I came to a very short tunnel when I gave it some beans, turned around and went back through again. Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@fastlane

have you got a linky for the vid - can't see it on their site...?? Confused


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