Old 993 up at +20k to think it seemed expensive at 30 something..
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Zingari Donnington
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Overpricing aside when that rather nice Ashgood car is sub 50 bags it appears like you the previous owner didn't have it long. Perhaps it didn't live up to their expectations _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
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cableguy Kyalami
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:15 pm Post subject:
How long since you sold?
C. _________________ Pork!
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:25 pm Post subject:
Zingari wrote:
Overpricing aside
Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time? Disappointed you didn’t manage to squeeze in a scrotum metaphor btw _________________ 993 Targa manual
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Zingari Donnington
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Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time?
I think my ball sac will hit the floor before my chin
Sponge tried the reminiscent route after trying modern machinery and second time around found it not what he expected.
My guess is this car is already sold and the listing is smoke and mirrors to keep prices buoyant _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:01 pm Post subject:
cableguy wrote:
How long since you sold?
C.
Just over 3 years ago _________________
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spongebob squarepants Shanghai
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:04 pm Post subject:
Zingari wrote:
Albionmuz wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Overpricing aside
Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time?
I think my ball sac will hit the floor before my chin
Sponge tried the reminiscent route after trying modern machinery and second time around found it not what he expected.
My guess is this car is already sold and the listing is smoke and mirrors to keep prices buoyant
Tbf I hated that car (although it’s a cracker) so in real world terms that’s appreciated 8k per year... _________________
991 C2S X51 powerkit PDK in racing yellow, PCCB, PDCC, PSE, Sports design kit, ducktail.
EX 997.2 Carrera 4S PDK
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EX 997 C2 gen 2 PDK
EX 993 Targa
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highway Albert Park
Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 1737
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:58 pm Post subject:
I’m ready to sell mine. New top mounts, set of tyres, service at OPC and additional work and fettling via CS Sportscars in the past few days. These are increasingly rare cars to find with provenance and without needing work doing.
If mine goes,it’s an Alfa 4C next. If it doesn’t then I’ll keep on OC3ing in the 993.
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You bet on the wrong team again sponge _________________ "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds" Einstein
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:01 pm Post subject:
highway wrote:
I’m ready to sell mine. New top mounts, set of tyres, service at OPC and additional work and fettling via CS Sportscars in the past few days. These are increasingly rare cars to find with provenance and without needing work doing.
If mine goes,it’s an Alfa 4C next. If it doesn’t then I’ll keep on OC3ing in the 993.
have you driven a 4C? i cant fit one that well, look fab though. _________________ Afraid of dipping a toe- beware Sharks
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jonttt Zolder
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Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time?
I think my ball sac will hit the floor before my chin
Sponge tried the reminiscent route after trying modern machinery and second time around found it not what he expected.
My guess is this car is already sold and the listing is smoke and mirrors to keep prices buoyant
I’ve put mine back on the road after 18 months in storage and it’s simply sublime, like nothing else you can buy today. As car get more and more and more about tech and less about the “drive” the 993’s are the perfect classic cars, they don’t mind being ignored for long periods of time but are there at the turn of a key to remind you what driving a car is all about.
Interest rates are going nowhere in the medium / long term and classic cars will continue to be a sound place to put loose change, there is still plenty of spare money looking to be put to use. 993 are a relatively cheap, safe and fun place to put those funds without the normal stresses of running an old car. Prices will continue to steadily rise for these, lesson endeth.
Ps you can always tell when there is a fresh wave of price increases to hit a market as Zingari has usually just bailed out at the wrong time _________________ "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds" Einstein
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badlands Montreal
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:21 pm Post subject:
the red car looks lovely, sure with 911virgin's reputation it will find a home v soon.
thinking of selling mine soonish too, if only to move into some kind of gt3 pending test-drives... _________________ current: 993 carrera coupe, manual, iris blue, bilstein pss10
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Palladium Indianapolis
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:22 pm Post subject:
i am seeing silly prices right across the air cooled spectrum, a big jump in 12 months, prices that could actually put people off, they are good cars, but not that good, novelties can wear off, and people could end up thinking, Sh-t i could have done with that money, a flood of cars hit the market, and prices drop, its how its happened before, i am not going to play the game, i am seeing other marques with some great value, fun cars, without the silliness.
i will probably never have a 993, its a shame, but i can get over it.
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Full factory spec cars will be the easiest to shift. But genuine period correct / appropriate added options also ok. A decent Becker or RS bits being a plus.
Full leather esp. in one of the desirable colours (black, red, chestnut etc) will also 'hold their bags' better
And perhaps rather controversial this one, but I can't see wide body premiums over better specced narrow body cars being sustainable.
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Albionmuz Nürburgring
Joined: 28 Oct 2016 Posts: 456 Location: West Sussex
Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:56 am Post subject:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Albionmuz wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Overpricing aside
Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time?
I think my ball sac will hit the floor before my chin
Sponge tried the reminiscent route after trying modern machinery and second time around found it not what he expected.
My guess is this car is already sold and the listing is smoke and mirrors to keep prices buoyant
Tbf I hated that car (although it’s a cracker) so in real world terms that’s appreciated 8k per year...
And you hated the car because? Or is it that you now hate it because it has increased in value so much since you sold it? _________________ 993 Targa manual
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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:17 am Post subject:
Chris W wrote:
spongebob squarepants wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Albionmuz wrote:
Zingari wrote:
Overpricing aside
Are you ready for the bounce when it sells in quick time?
I think my ball sac will hit the floor before my chin
Sponge tried the reminiscent route after trying modern machinery and second time around found it not what he expected.
My guess is this car is already sold and the listing is smoke and mirrors to keep prices buoyant
Tbf I hated that car (although it’s a cracker) so in real world terms that’s appreciated 8k per year...
Thats not your old one unless you bought a 2nd Red one??
Yep this was the second GR 993, owned for no ore than a few weeks
Stale socks, cramped interior, gears, and hated with a paaasion bys HWMBO to name but a few reasons, although for anyone looking for a 993 this one is lovely I think I bought it harking back to my silver 993 targa, the targa roof making all the differnce IMHO. _________________
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Zingari Donnington
Joined: 25 Oct 2009 Posts: 12711 Location: Cheshire
Ps you can always tell when there is a fresh wave of price increases to hit a market as Zingari has usually just bailed out at the wrong time
Depends on the point you enter the market and what the spread will be, not to forget the bell(end) price curve. But again depends what you want it for and how that 'investment' can evaporate when you run out of driving talent. Hence they are seldom driven and road use is dictated by the local met forecast that affects most owners.
Personally I wouldn't buy one now as they're too hexy for me, I've just retired and there are a few other cars I want to try before I pop off. Luckily I'm not in a place where I need to make a load of dough, or necessarily tie it up in one big lump so keeping the air-cooled in the garage/storage would get in the way despite the fact they look better than they drive. And a turbo bodied 964 will take some beating. It was never considered part of my (balanced) investment portfolio. :roll:Nor have I sampled the aromatic tobacco jonttt must smoke to evoke such emotions. I've asked but apparently it's a mysterious blend of aromatic herbs and spices from an ancient recipe known only to the eunuch's of the Khasbar.
People will still want to experience them and that will dictate prices and can't disagree they're a good investment along with some other classics. Ok I made some dough enjoyed the experience of ownership and turning an average condition car, despite its provenance, into a very good one - the latter bit I enjoyed the most. The new custodian gets a good car and should go on to make a wedge if/when they decide to sell:thumb: _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
jonttt Zolder
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And perhaps rather controversial this one, but I can't see wide body premiums over better specced narrow body cars being sustainable.
🤷♂️🤷♂️
rarity will always dictate desirablility, so a rare version of an already relatively rare car will always command a premium ie the wide body versions. Add to that the fact the 2S and 4S offer the benefit of the wide hips without the massive rear spoiler spoiling the lines ...... . The 4S will always be more desirable than the 2S in RHD form as they are rarer still yet offer desirable upgrades eg full leather and the classic turbo red brakes etc....
For those reason the gap between WB and NB 993’s will only get wider not closer together _________________ "Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds" Einstein
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^^^^^^
I'm not convinced _________________ Alfa Romeo’s 4C is everything a Italian sports-car should be: it’s gorgeous to the point of pornography, distinctive enough that nobody will ever mistake it for a Porsche, handles like it’s on rails and steers like a kart.
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to think it seemed expensive at 30 something..
Depends on the point you enter the market and what the spread will be, not to forget the bell(end) price curve. But again depends what you want it for and how that 'investment' can evaporate when you run out of driving talent. Hence they are seldom driven and road use is dictated by the local met forecast that affects most owners.
and there are a few other cars I want to try before I pop off. Luckily I'm not in a place where I need to make a load of dough, or necessarily tie it up in one big lump so keeping the air-cooled in the garage/storage would get in the way despite the fact they look better than they drive. And a turbo bodied 964 will take some beating. It was never considered part of my (balanced) investment portfolio. :roll:Nor have I sampled the aromatic tobacco jonttt must smoke to evoke such emotions. I've asked but apparently it's a mysterious blend of aromatic herbs and spices from an ancient recipe known only to the eunuch's of the Khasbar.
