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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:56 am    Post subject: Short shift kit Reply with quote

Thinking about fitting one to my 3.4 C2 and has anyone got any comments re pros and cons and what kit is best?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Best use the search function as theres been quite a few threads on this recently.

Basic options are ebay cheaper for about £40 or replacement 997 shifter mech for about £150+.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cheap £30 eBay one is fine for road use. Make sure it's set for RHD and not LH when you get it. You just need to remove the centre shaft and spin the gearstick round 180 degrees. Shove loads of grease arpund all moving parts and make sure everything is tightened up.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: Short shift kit Reply with quote

Cybot7 wrote:
Thinking about fitting one to my 3.4 C2 and has anyone got any comments re pros and cons and what kit is best?


The 997 shifters are a shorter throw than the 996 , So if it were me and I had a couple of hundred to spend I would be fitting a 997 GT3 shifter as it has metal bushings and gives a bolt action gear shift. if not then a cheapo ebay SSK Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two choices for me are -

997 standard shifter, but still shorter than 996. Plastic bushes. About £150.

997-424-010-00

Or

997.2 GT3 with metal bushes as Phil mentions. About £350.

997-424-010-91


There is an official 997 SSK which is different again but some say too short and notchy.
Always wanting the best I was going to wait for a GT3 one but I'm now thinking try the £150 standard 997 one, as by all accounts there's still a vast improvement on a 20 year old 996 one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and have a read about these

http://www.function-first.com/products/engine-trans/shift-right-solution
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 996 short shift that I purchased from another member that I no longer required, if of interest let me know.

Personally I think that they are total dog sh*t and would recommend going with the standard 997 shifter (which were also fitted to the 997 GT3 up until 2010)

This is circa 20% shorter throw than your 996 shift and will be new so no slop.

The post 2010 GT3 shifter has an identical throw but has metal bushes, when both are new there is no difference in the shift. - If you track your car regularly this could be worth the extra money to mitigate wear, if you do not, IMHO dont bother you will never notice the difference.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My C2 had a SSK fitted when I bought it. Hideous to use. I've fitted a 997 standard shifter which is way nicer.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crash7 wrote:


Personally I think that they are total dog sh*t


Sometimes Crash, I just wish you'd say what you really think instead of sitting in the fence. Grin

I agree though which is why I haven't bought one yet. It's near the bottom of my list of things to try.

I had a Schnell one on my GT3 and it was feckin' orrible. First thing the buyer did was to fit the standard 997 one above.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had a cheapo eBay job and oem 997 one and I much prefer the oem one it's just not as harsh with a perfect throw for me
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
crash7 wrote:


Personally I think that they are total dog sh*t


Sometimes Crash, I just wish you'd say what you really think instead of sitting in the fence. Grin

I agree though which is why I haven't bought one yet. It's near the bottom of my list of things to try.

I had a Schnell one on my GT3 and it was feckin' orrible. First thing the buyer did was to fit the standard 997 one above.


Very Happy Obviously just my opinion, and each to their own, perhaps I should have added something constructive - doh!

I see a gear change as a means to an end, you want to get from one to the other as quickly as possible, so in theory the shorter the throw the faster this will happen, hence a purchase of a SSK, however what they fail to articulate is that although the throw is short, it also notchy and stiff and as a sub-sequence is difficult to get into gear thus actually takes longer, time wise, than the standard item, which in my eyes is counter productive.

I agree that the standard 996 shift is to long and to vague, however the SSK is the polar opposite
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marky911 wrote:
...I'm now thinking try the £150 standard 997 one, as by all accounts there's still a vast improvement on a 20 year old 996 one.


This.

I chanced upon a s/h shifter from a low mileage 987. It was a vast improvement on a 20 year old (& 110k miles) 996 one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
and have a read about these

http://www.function-first.com/products/engine-trans/shift-right-solution


I'm going to go with one of these. I actually like the 996 shift, but don't like the slop and vagueness which comes from the plastic bushings and parts.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all. Looks like a 997 shift needs to be bought.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you know might know that I bought a 996-eBay SSK-special a little over two years ago, and it failed on the way back from Dinslaken last year. I replaced it with a 997 standard shifter.

The knackered SSK has sat on my shelf ever since; then a few weeks ago I sent it to Alex Yates who has replaced the bushes on it - and its going to be reinstalled this weekend.

Great bit of work Alex - looking forward to seeing how it performs. Thumb


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you kind sir! worship
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

alex yates wrote:
Thank you kind sir! worship


Did you put metal parts in?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The biggest issue with the cheap SSKs are the rubbish roller bearing they use for the central shaft that the gear lever pivots in it's longitudinal direction. This bearing creates play in both longitudinal and lateral movement and IMHO this is where the issue is with the kits. The plastic (most likely PTFE or Acetal) top and bottom bushes are fine if you ask me (well they are new and are still fine on mine 2 years later). Osh's roller bearing was mullered and seized up and this was the problem with his. On mine I replaced the inferior roller bearing with some Acetal solid bearing bushes I made myself. I did a write-up on it here somewhere (search for ssk slop removal). I was going to do the same on OSH's but instead I managed to get some solid phosphor Bronze self-lubricating bearing bushes (even better than mine) and modified them slightly to suit the SSK. There's now zero play in this area and the bearings should outlast the SSK, Gearbox, Engine & most of the rest of the car too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
and have a read about these

http://www.function-first.com/products/engine-trans/shift-right-solution


I'm going to go with one of these. I actually like the 996 shift, but don't like the slop and vagueness which comes from the plastic bushings and parts.


What about something like this?

https://youtu.be/iJv0wI72aRg

I actually don’t mind the shift throw in the 996 either. Have driven a 997 as well (which I agree is “better”). However I’ve bought a replacement 996 shift mechanism and intend on doing this mod to eliminate all play. Cheaper than the function first one!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a set of these coming over from the states in a few weeks so I can let you all know if they reduce the play.

phenixengineering.com/shop/porsche-997-gt3-style-billet-shift-bushing-kit/
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