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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: 996 Turbo - Amazing / Wow / Innovations? Reply with quote

Hi All,

I've just been googling but couldn't find what I was looking for.

So over to you....

What are the amazing bits of technology, materials, world firsts etc that this car showcased?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, nothing?!

So just an ordinary, run of the mill car with nothing new to talk about back in 2000?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: 996 Turbo - Amazing / Wow / Innovations? Reply with quote

iceboy wrote:
Hi All,

I've just been googling but couldn't find what I was looking for.

So over to you....

What are the amazing bits of technology, materials, world firsts etc that this car showcased?

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Watercooled Dont know

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EVO Car of the Year.

No special tech; just Porsche moving the game further along from the 993 Turbo (with a clean-sheet design that was much lighter and stiffer than the archaic 1960s shell) and using the Mezger 3.6 engine.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats more or less it.. It was a step in evolution. Lighter / stiffer (a good combo). Mezger 3.6 and the big change was the obvious move to water cooling.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, let me put the question another way:

What does the 996 Turbo have that ordinary cars do not?

Special exotic materials?
Special windscreen?
Obviously a dry sump

The reason I ask, when my old S-class was launched it had loads to new stuff that mere-mortal cars did not....just wondering what the 996 turbo has up it's sleeve that ordinary cars do not?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 turbos Floor .
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iceboy wrote:
The reason I ask, when my old S-class was launched it had loads to new stuff that mere-mortal cars did not....just wondering what the 996 turbo has up it's sleeve that ordinary cars do not?


S class's always do, always have done:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/history-mercedes-s-class-picture-special


You name it, it probably first appeared on an S class worship

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am staggered to find a thread looking for similarities between a 996 turbo and a Merc S class Floor Floor they are both German is about it from what I can see, I mean ones a speed boat the other a barge how can they be compared. they are surely aimed at different ends of the market, the S class is a lovely car but very different to a 996 turbo . some of the tech may be similar and merc may have been the first with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing really new or ground breaking. Perhaps that is why they managed to make it work properly Question

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
I am staggered to find a thread looking for similarities between a 996 turbo and a Merc S class Floor Floor they are both German is about it from what I can see, I mean ones a speed boat the other a barge how can they be compared. they are surely aimed at different ends of the market, the S class is a lovely car but very different to a 996 turbo . some of the tech may be similar and merc may have been the first with it.


Hi Phil,

I'm not comparing the two cars.....LOL.

I just thought there may have been lots of innovation or technology in the car not seen or used in mortal-run of the mills cars.

I'll get my coat on the way out.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Performance.

When launched, there was nothing, short of a supercar - and even some of those were not equal to the task - that could offer the breadth of performance.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eggs into headlights?

That was pretty innovative, not been done before or since?

Performance! Blazing fast when released and still cuts it with most 20 years on.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Performance.

When launched, there was nothing, short of a supercar - and even some of those were not equal to the task - that could offer the breadth of performance.


I agree with this thumbsup also a stock car can be tuned very easily. Add in a few mods and performance is on par or exceeds a lot of today’s supercars. Not bad for a 20 year old design. Not many cars can claim that especially one that is reliable and comfortable enough to use as a daily. 4 seats so you can even use it for family duties.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iceboy wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
I am staggered to find a thread looking for similarities between a 996 turbo and a Merc S class Floor Floor they are both German is about it from what I can see, I mean ones a speed boat the other a barge how can they be compared. they are surely aimed at different ends of the market, the S class is a lovely car but very different to a 996 turbo . some of the tech may be similar and merc may have been the first with it.


Hi Phil,

I'm not comparing the two cars.....LOL.

I just thought there may have been lots of innovation or technology in the car not seen or used in mortal-run of the mills cars.

I'll get my coat on the way out.

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No I knew you werent mate and only kidding Grin Grin But have to agree with others the 996 turbo was a true sports car but could carry the family while chasing the fezzas etc about Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW theres a post on pistonheads asking how fast a 996 turbo is now. Basically, it still holds its own. I suppose the nature of all technology is that it filters down to cheaper cars once the more expensive ones have worked out the kinks.

Having a look on wifi, the ferrari at the time was a 456 which was slower, and the aston was either a vantage, or a DB7 or a virage. All of which are slowe so i think its pretty amazing (see what i did there) that this car was so quick when its almost a 20 year old design.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think, but am not certain, that it had the biggest brakes of any production car at the time it was launched.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and when you look at some of the modded ones ES etc they are still holding their own against 20 yr newer cars it is amazing really Grin Thumb

one member on the way to Dinslaken last year got 217mph out of his tuned one , that it startling for a car nearly 20 years old
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
Nothing really new or ground breaking. Perhaps that is why they managed to make it work properly Question

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I’d agree. In 2000 what other high performance suoercar could be driven to work everyday, do the Tesco run, whizz round Millbrook on a weekend, potter into central London on an evening, take you to Geneva effortlessly, or dart round the Nürburgring? All the time showing up more exotic machinery by Ferrari and Lamborghini. Wow?

And able to do so without needing a full engine rebuild or set of tyres.

18 years ago that was pretty innovative Dont know

And it was surely amazing that they could do this even 15 years after they were built with little hassle? Mine did. That is surely pretty amazing? Question
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for reference I'm looking at changing my turbo for an m4 and that is more or less the same speed (obviously less if it's raining Very Happy ) but it just shows how capable these cars are. My only issue is when you put your foot down, people don't realise how quickly the car goes.
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