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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: 4 GTS @ Paragon Reply with quote

any thoughts / tips on this apart from the price... TIA
http://paragongb.com/cars/porsche-carrera-4-gts-for-sale-ay12jou
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its difficult to comment on a car without measuring against the asking price IMO.
It's a great colour with nice mileage and if it has to be a PDK GTS then what's not to like?
However, £75k gets you - As Paragon state - an 'Iconic Turbo' so price will always have a bearing on everything really.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a cracker except being well overpriced, looks mint, mine went through Paragon last year and was mint, they seem to prepare their cars well.

However looking at this with much lower miles and from OPC it's too much.

People seem to be cashing in at mo on 997 GTS? There were virtually none for sale this time last year, there are NINE 997 GTS 4 for sale at OPC,s at the moment.

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/results/list.ipl?cid=1#
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 997GTS4 is a great car and that's a lovely example but for that money it should be.

If it's for you I'd have thought a 991C4S would be a better bet. Dont know
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely car but £13k too much
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 4 GTS @ Paragon Reply with quote

d8ean wrote:
any thoughts / tips on this APART FROM THE PRICE... TIA

Epic fail there from most respondents! Floor

So I'll join in despite the OP specifically asking for thoughts other than price. OK, it may be a shade on the dear side, but certainly not by £13k as someone suggested!!

I've no experience of Paragon but have heard good things about them. They certainly seem to prep the cars well and with a full service, fresh MOT and 12 month warranty, there's plenty of worse places to buy from.

As for the car, I think it looks great (and grey is one of the rarer colours too)! It's not a bad spec, only really missing extended leather, PDLS, cruise and possibly the adaptive 18 way seats. And at the price though I'd want it to be low owners too. And not that it adds much value, but being a 2012 car it's one of the last too.

If you're in the market then it's got to be worth a closer inspection and a discussion. Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: 4 GTS @ Paragon Reply with quote

squelch wrote:
d8ean wrote:
any thoughts / tips on this APART FROM THE PRICE... TIA

Epic fail there from most respondents! Floor

So I'll join in despite the OP specifically asking for thoughts other than price. OK, it may be a shade on the dear side, but certainly not by £13k as someone suggested!!

I've no experience of Paragon but have heard good things about them. They certainly seem to prep the cars well and with a full service, fresh MOT and 12 month warranty, there's plenty of worse places to buy from.

As for the car, I think it looks great (and grey is one of the rarer colours too)! It's not a bad spec, only really missing extended leather, PDLS, cruise and possibly the adaptive 18 way seats. And at the price though I'd want it to be low owners too. And not that it adds much value, but being a 2012 car it's one of the last too.

If you're in the market then it's got to be worth a closer inspection and a discussion. Thumb


Not so sure when you can buy a better specced lower mileage car for 8k less from an OPC? The OPC aqua blue one looks stunning, as does the white one (of course Grin )
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be straight down to Exeter for that blue one if I has my heart set on a GTS4. Only 4th one I've seen and something different from the Black and White (sorry SBSP) brigade.
When I skim read the ad I thought it said £78k hence £13k overpriced. I'll reduce that back to £10k Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 8:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 4 GTS @ Paragon Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:

Not so sure when you can buy a better specced lower mileage car for 8k less from an OPC? The OPC aqua blue one looks stunning, as does the white one (of course Grin )


Yes, lower mileage but "better specced"? I think not - the Aqua Blue one has been hanging around for a little while and I suspect it's due to the lack of Sports Chrono Plus, the non-CL wheels and the push-button non-sport PDK steering wheel. All subjective of course, but desirable options nonetheless (and just a shade over £7k cheaper not quite £8k). Spending far too much time on the Porsche site I've seen the white ones don't seem to have the same speed of turnaround either.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongebob squarepants wrote:
It's a cracker except being well overpriced, looks mint, mine went through Paragon last year and was mint, they seem to prepare their cars well.

However looking at this with much lower miles and from OPC it's too much.

People seem to be cashing in at mo on 997 GTS? There were virtually none for sale this time last year, there are NINE 997 GTS 4 for sale at OPC,s at the moment.

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-customer/ipl/results/list.ipl?cid=1#


Hexagon seem to be cornering the market, and are priced aspirationally...

Back to the car in question, looks great in that combo, love those centre-lock wheels.

Its funny how few have the alcantara interior. Was it a delete option?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked mine up recently (GTS 4 Cab) with slightly lower mileage and some 11k down on that asking price. Love the grey colour on that though!

Even then I was fully aware that the markup over a 4S is not really worth it if I was being objective. Only reason I stretched to a GTS is that this is my first Porsche and I've wanted one since I can remember!

Most (incl. mine) have the alcantara delete.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the price is nuts from this INDY

verses this

https://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U602/


AND when it's up with 991 4S money such as

https://www.harbourcars.com/used-car-details/Porsche-911-U1777/



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BIG issue with that car is Alcantara delete....it's one of the USP's for the GTS and having it deleted means it isn't a desirable spec.

IF that car had Alcantara it's a £70k car absolute tops....without Alcantara it should be closer to £65k than £70k.

The most popular GTS is with spec in order of importance.

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If a car with that spec and the same miles as the Paragon car came up I'd say it's a £72k to £75k car. PDK with the rest of that spec it's a £70k car tops.

This car being 4wd and Alcantara Delete is a £65k to £67k IMHO.

The Paragon car has the CL wheels....you see some GTS's with the 5 stud wheels. Again they aren't popular.

Colour is a funny one...I like the Grey cars and wouldn't want White but white is very popular. I'd say 50% of GTS's are White or Black.

The 2wd GTS is more in demand because it's seen as the better drivers car and also the 2wd GTS is the only 2wd wide body 997 apart from the 997.2 GT3 RS. That said if it's a daily that will be used regardless of weather the 4wd is worth considering.

My GTS is a manual car with all of the above and a few more nice to have options. They don't come up very often and it's not for sale!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That 991 4S at harbour cars is a beauty! While the GTS is rarer, it’s pretty hard to justify at the same price as the newer car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 2wd GTS is more in demand because it's seen as the better drivers car and also the 2wd GTS is the only 2wd wide body 997 apart from the 997.2 GT3 RS.


Aren't the 997.1 GT3 RS and 997.2 GT3 also wide bodied 2wd cars Question
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The 2wd GTS is more in demand because it's seen as the better drivers car and also the 2wd GTS is the only 2wd wide body 997 apart from the 997.2 GT3 RS.


Aren't the 997.1 GT3 RS and 997.2 GT3 also wide bodied 2wd cars Question

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Carrera/S/GT3 Narrow Bodied
Carrera 4/4S GTS/4GTS/Turbo/GT3RS Wide Bodied
For both 997.1 and .2
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_nieto wrote:
That 991 4S at harbour cars is a beauty! While the GTS is rarer, it’s pretty hard to justify at the same price as the newer car.


I’d agree that you’d have to take a serious look at that car if buying a 4wd 997.2 GTS and that’s the car you want. As with a lot of Porsche’s it’s all about spec...I’d argue that 997 GTS prices are totally driven by demand for the 2wd manual coupe...with the 408 bhp Powerkit engine it’s quite a special car for a non GT 911. The Powerkit engine revs out that bit better than the standard engine...the engine and gearbox combination is just fantastic. £70k to £75k is the right price for them and they sell quickly when they get listed at that price. Quite a few people say the GTS should only be available as a 2wd Coupe.

The two things that are obviously ageing in the 997 are the PCM and the PDK gearbox. The former can be solved with an iPhone the latter will become more of an issue as the car gets older. You already read posts where people have gone back to a 997 from a 991 and found the PDK suddenly seems a bit ponderous. 992 is a year away, I am sure PDK will be another step on. PDK gearboxes are also very hard to work on. So as the cars get older I think the pricing difference gets bigger between manual and PDK cars.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FZP wrote:
apollokre1d wrote:
Cheib wrote:
The 2wd GTS is more in demand because it's seen as the better drivers car and also the 2wd GTS is the only 2wd wide body 997 apart from the 997.2 GT3 RS.


Aren't the 997.1 GT3 RS and 997.2 GT3 also wide bodied 2wd cars Question

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Carrera 4/4S GTS/4GTS/Turbo/GT3RS Wide Bodied
For both 997.1 and .2


Thanks for the confirmation. Someone needs to update Wikipedia Smile

The body of the 997 GT3 RS is 64 mm (2.5 in) wider at the rear than the 997 GT3 (a legacy from the Carrera 4 models with which it shares its shell).
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="apollokre1d"]
FZP wrote:
apollokre1d wrote:
Cheib wrote:
The 2wd GTS is more in demand because it's seen as the better drivers car and also the 2wd GTS is the only 2wd wide body 997 apart from the 997.2 GT3 RS.


Aren't the 997.1 GT3 RS and 997.2 GT3 also wide bodied 2wd cars Question

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Carrera/S/GT3 Narrow Bodied
Carrera 4/4S GTS/4GTS/Turbo/GT3RS Wide Bodied
For both 997.1 and .2


Thanks for the confirmation Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then there’s the Speedster and Sport Classic, plus the GT2RS.
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