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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading the thread title I was half expecting (half hoping Hand ) for a picture of a 911, & one of yer Missus, but, you do indeed have a much harder choice to make there. . . . . .
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you keep the 964, its a legend,

the 997 is a great car, but never a legend ever nooo


once the 911 lost its smallness and quirkiness and basicness, it wasn't really a 911 anymore, i think they could even have got away with putting a water cooled engine in that little chassis and it would have worked.

its just how times went, its not a dig at 997's, i would have one tomorrow, maybe the 911 tag should have ended with the 993, just my opinion of course.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep the 997 .. sell the 964 .. nothing more i can add Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Keep the 997 .. sell the 964 .. nothing more i can add Smile


You sold out man.....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can readily replace a nice 997 in a year or two if required but try replacing that immaculate 964 if you think that sellng it was a mistake!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the 997 looks great, and is a lot of car for the money. One day it will also be sought after..!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can readily replace a nice 997 in a year or two if required but try replacing that immaculate 964 if you think that sellng it was a mistake!


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a shame one has to go, arguably the best looking 911s of any era and exemplary representatives of their eras of 911. I would keep the 964 based on what you’ve said about both being fair-weather cars. As special as the GTS is (I regret not getting one when I bought a 997.2), your 964 is on a different level of specialness, less replaceable as already mentioned. Wouldn’t be surprised if you keep the GTS though Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palladium wrote:
you keep the 964, its a legend,

the 997 is a great car, but never a legend ever nooo


Hmm. I see your point, but the 964 was pretty unloved once. A dealer told me the GTS was the one to keep. I believe only about 100 manual 2WD GTSs were registered in the UK so it's a rare car. Feels pretty small and nimble on the road, has hydraulic steering, a lovely 6 speed gearbox, a proper handbrake and pretty simple instrumentation too, unlike the current button fest.

However I am leaning towards keeping the 964 a present. Until tomorrow...
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the other me wrote:
Reading the thread title I was half expecting (half hoping Hand ) for a picture of a 911, & one of yer Missus, but, you do indeed have a much harder choice to make there. . . . . .


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 964 will I believe continue to increase in value quicker than the 997 therefore in 12/24 months when you realise you need both back in your life it will be easier and cheaper to find another 997 as they will cost you more than your going to sell it for but not as much as replacing the 964 would. Thumb Thumb but remember as your on the 997 pages they are real 911s and the gen2 may well in the not to distant future be considered the last of the 911 sports cars before they moved to a tourer.and as such will command the sort of money air cooled do now. Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've had a fair offer from a well known dealer for the 964


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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maybe the 911 tag should have ended with the 993, just my opinion of course.


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Very good point, I think I would have to agree Judge

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lungauer wrote:
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I would be interested to know about your lift .. I am looking for a good reliable , quality piece of kit , that looks substantial ...... what type is it , sourced it where ..?

advise me the Cost in a PM if you don't mind ?

cheers,


Not my lift or garage I'm afraid. The pics were taken at Refined Detail in Sussex - whom I can heartily recommend by the way.


Thanks for that 'L' ... I thought that you might have been Refined detail... I saw that in the pics...

Back on the hunt I guess...

your 964 is a class act mate ....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:12 am    Post subject: Re: On the horns of a dilemma... Reply with quote

Lungauer wrote:
Could I refer 997ers to my thread on the 964 forum relating to a genuine dilemma I face. I've had some opinions from the 964 collective but what would value a different perspective if you felt you had time to offer one. This is also 997 related!

Thread's called 'One of them has to go'.

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Lungauer...

I watched your other thread with interest, I can feel your dilemma as I am approaching making a similar decision on my cars.....and I find myself swinging quite radically back and fore whilst trying all options to come to the best logical decision...

both your cars are niche , and I believe you will be pretty upset no matter which one you decide to part wit.... the real choice you have to make is whether your really need to or if it is possible in any other way to achieve the purpose that is driving your thought process to have to sell one or other.
The 964 is already sought after but as you say was the unwanted child of Porsche lovers for many a year ! I remember these well and was not of the same camp at all... I do wish that I had scratched that itch at the time ... I chased a few ,PPI were not favourable on most ...so that didn't happen...
the 964 looks are classic and IMHO far better than the following 993 ( that just didn't do it for me ...)

the 997 GTS is already a well sought after model , and the 997 in its special iterations GTS/ GT3 /Turbo / Turbo S are already showing signs of being integrated to the Porsche hall of Fame ......

The 997 is a better drive in every way , of that there is no doubt, dynamically it drives better, and looks like all 911's should , the 991 is a step towards a GT car , great but not exciting ... I have felt numb when driving these so far..

Its probably the ultimate hard decision chum ..

I shall fall on keeping ....

the 997....... Good luck with your own choice , that s the important one ..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I changed my 964 C4 for a 997 C2S last year and don’t regret it for a minute.
I’d had the 964 for 15 years though and wanted more power, more refinement, more comfort.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
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maybe the 911 tag should have ended with the 993, just my opinion of course.


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Very good point, I think I would have to agree Judge

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 964 is a classic and a great car if well looked after. Classics usually are for looking at and pootling around in (race cars excepted)

The 997 is a modern looking (outside) and retro-looking (inside) supercar that's capable of 150 mph++ even when a few years old. Mine is 9 years old , looks like new and can go quicker than I can handle.....A recent valuation shows that it is worth at least what I paid for it four years ago and well sorted ones will increase in price, so you know where my choice lies.. Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy one for me .. sell the 997 & use the 964 more . Been there myself with the modern cars & its never been a difficult decision to choose aircooled

although as said it does depend on ultimatly what your use for the car is.

If we are assuming either cars will just be a 'toy' in addition to a daily driver , then in reality you should get more pleasure , both driving & ownership, with the 964. The 964 wil be fun to drive at all speeds + you've got the whole 'classic' porsche thing & everything that goes along with it . Also, the 964 is a car you can keep modifiying / personalising to suit your requirements where as I imagine you'll be loathed to change the GTS from stock ?
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