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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:21 am    Post subject: City driving a Manual Turbo compared to a 4S Reply with quote

I have a Carrera 4S in manual and was wondering how the 997 turbo manual compares in relation to gear ratios for London city driving. Thinking to change my 4S for Gen 1 turbo in maual as I cant reach for a PDK, my question is the 4S is fine in town as the gear ratios are long enough so your not forever changing gears. !st and 2nd is fine for the usual city driving

How much does a Manual turbo differ to a manual 4s Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd and 3rd is all you need in town in the turbo
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really see a point swapping to a turbo for city driving.

Not much different for city driving between the two.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't really see a point swapping to a turbo for city driving.

Not much different for city driving between the two.


Not much difference between a 911 and a nissan leaf in the city
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't really see a point swapping to a turbo for city driving.

Not much different for city driving between the two.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your correct - my missus EV Leaf does 0 to 30 in 3 sec - ideal for city driving....
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For city driving, if you have not already tried one and your budget allows, try a PDK.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its a weekend car for most journeys its dual carriage ways and motorways but I as I live in London theres obviosly some city driving with traffic etc.
I feel with my 4S you need to rev out the range to get some thrills where by the turbo will keep me some torque thrill lower down the range will suits my driving.

Love my 4S I cant knock it espeically with the PSE and I have the valves unplugged from the engine bay sounds gorgeous.....just a little under powered for me and a tiptronic isnt an option for me and PDK slightly out of my price bracket as at mid 70k theres 991's to possibly consider
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and for the record my abarth 595 paddle shift was the best city car ever ! the thrills in town are non comparable to anything else in the city... Very Happy

even running down to the local shop was a race!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question


Dont know
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question


Fair point, I enjoyed mine, it does suit the car. That said, PDK is in a different league.
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What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question


Fair point, I enjoyed mine, it does suit the car. That said, PDK is in a different league.


agreed ........... but it's also only available at a totally different price point. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes of course a turbo PDK would be awesome I just cant fetch the extra 20k for one hence a manual it is.. So its not too tiring driving a manual turbo? any vids from anyone
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
K888ETH wrote:
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What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question


Fair point, I enjoyed mine, it does suit the car. That said, PDK is in a different league.


agreed ........... but it's also only available at a totally different price point. Wink
totally agree, yes the pdk is better but then the engine arguably better in the GEN 1! The tip a very capable box and in manual with the better steering wheel it’s a hell of a car for the money!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drove into Ghent last minute,a couple of years ago, when there was trouble at Calais.
I was in the 996 Turbo manual, we had just come back from the Nurburgring.

It was rush hour, the streets were narrow and cobbled and there were trams and pushbikes everywhere.

I was astounded at how easy it was to drive.

My friend who was passengering all weekend was astounded at the all round capabilities of the car....Track/country roads/motorways/city streets Thumb
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silvermilnec wrote:
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K888ETH wrote:
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What's wrong with a 997.1 Turbo Tiptronic Question


Fair point, I enjoyed mine, it does suit the car. That said, PDK is in a different league.


agreed ........... but it's also only available at a totally different price point. Wink
totally agree, yes the pdk is better but then the engine arguably better in the GEN 1! The tip a very capable box and in manual with the better steering wheel it’s a hell of a car for the money!!


Manual mode in the tiptronic or manual
Gear stick?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because due to the fact the tiptronic doesn’t down shift when you need to I feel that could expose me on a bend of braking wasnt quite enough . Very powerful car for me not to feel fully in control . Don’t get me wrong manual isn’t ideal for me but at least I feel more in control than the tip and will hold its money better than tip

I may be wrong
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badbox wrote:
Because due to the fact the tiptronic doesn’t down shift when you need to I feel that could expose me on a bend of braking wasnt quite enough . Very powerful car for me not to feel fully in control . Don’t get me wrong manual isn’t ideal for me but at least I feel more in control than the tip and will hold its money better than tip

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Youre worrying me that I may be risking my life unnecessarily. I’m genuinely scared and would like to learn more from a skilled driver such as yourself. Probably explains why so many have been written off in fatal RTAs and carry such an insurance premium. Tell me, over how many miles in a 997.1 turbo tiptronic did you establish this fatal flaw? Question
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

badbox wrote:


Because due to the fact the tiptronic doesn’t down shift when you need to I feel that could expose me on a bend of braking wasnt quite enough . Very powerful car for me not to feel fully in control . Don’t get me wrong manual isn’t ideal for me but at least I feel more in control than the tip and will hold its money better than tip

I may be wrong


The Tip would change down whenever circumstances required - just not as quickly as the PDK. In normal road use I doubt that many would notice the second or two difference.

If you drive in 'M' mode you have just as much control over the car as you do with 3 pedals, except for the ability to slip the clutch.

Gen 1 Tips hold their value as much as Gen 1 manual cars. When bought new they depreciated more than manuals but on the secondhand market they're cheaper to buy.

I'm guessing you've never driven a Tip'. If you did I think you'd probably be very pleasantly surprised.
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