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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am amazed that someone like RPM would be that stupid to let someone in their business say that. Its a bit like a milkman saying that the milk that he depends on for his livelyhood is crap and if you have already brought some your stupid. What a ridicules thing for a Porsche specialist who sells peoples cars on sale or return to say in print. and the fact they recently sold a silver 07 gen1 means what, they only decided last week over coffee in the smoking shed they werent going to touch 997.1 any longer

Don't believe the scaremongers, including some dealers (some idiot at RPM Technik who is in modern classics this month saying "don't touch Gen 1 cars, they have to many issues, we don't touch them" for example).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

resigner wrote:
How about this?

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/2006-56-porsche-911-3-8-carrera-2-s-2d-355-bhp/8236934


I want that tequipment gear knob , been after a used one of those for ages. Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, in answer to the “How common?” question the answer is not very. But running a 911 ain’t cheap. Expect bills. The obvious stuff will be rads, condensers, coffin arms, brakes and other general maintenance. Sure you may be unlucky and need a cylinder lining rebuild. But imho that’s the water cooled equivalent of an air cooled top end rebuild.

I’m in the position currently where it is possible I may need to sell my low mile turbo to provide cash for our impending house move. (Fingers crossed I don’t). But if I did I’d happily buy a high mile 3.8S as a substitute as I think they’re a performance bargain right now. 👍
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demort wrote:
I cant offer much advise other than to say i work on these cars .. i see very few with bore score ..

If its bad then you can hear it and see it on the tail pipes without a scope check but bear in mind a sooty tail pipe can be other things .



What else can cause a sooty exhaust pipe?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking this one looks good. I really like the dark blue

https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/porsche/911-carrera-997/porsche-911-997-carrera-2s----------------2005/8306985#/home
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovely looking car but I just wouldn't trust a ceramic ims bearing .

It's not got Bose and has a dynavin head unit by the looks.

No sports chrono either.

Is that your budget?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does sports chrono do on a manual, apart from giving you a little clock at the top of the dash?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What does sports chrono do on a manual, apart from giving you a little clock at the top of the dash?

Sports suspension and a better throttle response.

It's great Grin
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfaian wrote:
jerzybondov wrote:
What does sports chrono do on a manual, apart from giving you a little clock at the top of the dash?

Sports suspension and a better throttle response.

It's great Grin


Changes the throttle response yes, but the S has PASM as standard. The sports Chrono just engages the sport mode in PASM automatically. You can do the exact same on a none chrono c2s by just pressing the PASM button.

Better explanation here:

http://philipraby.co.uk/2012/07/06/sport-chrono-package-plus-a-great-porsche-997-option/

Just my personal thoughts on boroscope, save the money. Buy a genuine car with good provenance and history from a trusted Specialist and you will be fine. The specialist wont by a car they have to warranty that they think could have major cost / rebuild issues and their the experts with the knowledge and ultimately the people taking the risk.

Besides a boro scope inspection is only valid for the moment its done. As soon as you drive the car it could then score. Bit like an MOT. The car can pass flying colours but 500 miles down the road a component fails which would subsequently make it fail the MOT test.

My advice is buy a good car, from a good dealer, and enjoy a good time Thumb

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Changes the throttle response yes, but the S has PASM as standard. The sports Chrono just engages the sport mode in PASM automatically. You can do the exact same on a none chrono c2s by just pressing the PASM


Doesn’t matter how many times I read this, seems to contradict itself.

PASM is variable damping and a 10cm ride height drop.

Sports Chrono changes the throttle response, gives you the clock for lap timing.

Due to how it is setup, when you press Chrono the PASM defaults to on. If you have PSE, this is how you activate it too.

My car has Sports Chrono, the throttle response is guff without it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P.s. how comes Pothole hasn’t been along under his official doom-monger role yet?!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The return of Marty Wild wrote:
Steve997 wrote:


Changes the throttle response yes, but the S has PASM as standard. The sports Chrono just engages the sport mode in PASM automatically. You can do the exact same on a none chrono c2s by just pressing the PASM


Doesn’t matter how many times I read this, seems to contradict itself.

PASM is variable damping and a 10cm ride height drop.

Sports Chrono changes the throttle response, gives you the clock for lap timing.

Due to how it is setup, when you press Chrono the PASM defaults to on. If you have PSE, this is how you activate it too.

My car has Sports Chrono, the throttle response is guff without it.


Was trying to help.

A question was asked what does chrono add to a manual except a stop watch on the dash.

The answer given was sports suspension and a better throttle response.

I was trying to highlight the sports chrono option does not add sports suspension to a c2s which is what I believed the OP is considering purchasing. What sports chrono does in relation to suspension is select the sport mode in pasm automatically as a default setting.

As a standard c2s has pasm as standard equipment the car has sports suspension i.e pasm as stock and you can just press the pasm button to change from normal to sport suspension manually. Basically you don't need chrono to have or engage pasm sports suspension.

What I'm still probably saying badly is a c2s has sports suspension as standard equipment regardless if the car has sports chrono option. Therefore chrono doesn't add sports suspension it just engages it as a default setting.

Hope that explanation is better. Apologies for any confusion and hope the info helps the OP as it is intended.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alfaian wrote:
Lovely looking car but I just wouldn't trust a ceramic ims bearing .

It's not got Bose and has a dynavin head unit by the looks.

No sports chrono either.

Is that your budget?


Yes £25k is my budget. I can’t really go any higher than that.

If I went for a non S Carrera with a 3.6 is there much difference in performance and are they generally a lot less desirable than an S?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Divided opinions on that one depending whether a c2 or c2s owners answers.

I wanted the c2s so bought an s but the c2 is still a very good car.

It's your decision is the honest answer. Probably not helpful but depends how you value the extras the S brings to the party.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dp400 wrote:
Alfaian wrote:
Lovely looking car but I just wouldn't trust a ceramic ims bearing .

It's not got Bose and has a dynavin head unit by the looks.

No sports chrono either.

Is that your budget?


Yes £25k is my budget. I can’t really go any higher than that.

If I went for a non S Carrera with a 3.6 is there much difference in performance and are they generally a lot less desirable than an S?


They are cheaper so yes they are less desirable according to the market but it certainly would not put me off buying one if it was good.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The S cars are well specced as standard with Xenons and PASM, plus of course the 3.8. There seem to be more about so more choice.

I would suggest getting the best car for your money rather than limiting yourself to one or t'other.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
I would suggest getting the best car for your money rather than limiting yourself to one or t'other.


Yeah
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically I wouldn’t call PASM “sports suspension” as Porsche offered another option with the same name, 20mm drop and a firmer ride with no variable dampers I believe.

Alas, we digress.

If you get a car without Chrono, there is an aftermarket product that mimics the results. Can’t remember the name of it just now.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sports suspension option is without PASM on the Gen 1, but with PASM on the Gen 2.
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