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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:29 pm    Post subject: Windscreen Washer System - help! Reply with quote

Having read lots of threads on this topic, I went down to my garage this morning full of confidence...

Although my 'intensive' washer system is working fine, the 'regular' one is not. (But both windshield nozzles spraying fine.)

The pump also appears to be working (it's feeding the headlight washers).

I tried disconnecting the relevant hose from the T-shaped check valve under the windscreen bottom (assuming the problem may be with the valve). But, on pumping, no fluid came through the hose!

So I disconnected the hose at the reservoir tank end. (The fluid drained out - albeit rather slowly.)

The hose (now disconnected at both ends) is clear.

Any suggestions on where to go from here?

Am I going to have to pull the reservoir tank? Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my memory recalls the motor on the little resivour in the frunk supplies the windscreen. My guess would be the motor in that. My motor was all rusted up. I stripped it out of the bottle and cleaned it up. Then all worked fine. The intensive wash has its own pump.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Chief.

Yes, I'm pretty sure the problem is at the tank (/reservoir) end. Could well be the pump. (Didn't realise there are two pumps - one for the headlamps one for the windscreen.)


Just checked the fuse - but this is OK, and shared anyway with the headlamp washing system which is working fine.


Question: do I need to remove the front wing to pull out the reservoir? The pumps are pretty difficult to access in situ...!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will just be the bottle with the red cap on (only small) inside the frunk. The motor is visible pushed into the bottle. I feel pretty sure this will be the culprit.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chief wrote:
It will just be the bottle with the red cap on (only small) inside the frunk. The motor is visible pushed into the bottle. I feel pretty sure this will be the culprit.


That's the 'Intensive' (silicone) wash bottle, no? That one's working fine. It's the bigger tank that's my problem - underneath the the n/s wheel arch liner.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*****!
That'll be the wheel off and arch liner out pal Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont suppose you have any access to it if you take out the n/s/f headlight ? might only be 993 that you can.

Also was it only on the earlier cars that the pump can also be fitted to the front panel with the pipes going to the bottle in the wing area ?

Either way there is a filter in the bottle which often gets blocked , screen fluid turns to "jelly" over the years .. also stinks to high heaven !
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will have another go at the weekend. I don't think I can get in via the headlamp opening but will have another look. Just hoping I don't have to take the wing off...!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You cannot get in through the headlight. You will have to get the wheel off then the arch liner. also it might help to get the under panel below the fron P.U off. You can then get to the black resivour. You might find that it's just the connector furred up.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Chief. As I thought.

Grazed knuckles here I come. (Am used to niggling challenges like this as I used to own a TVR!)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The saga continues...

So, I disconnected and pulled out the reservoir tank.

I then disconnected the two pumps (one for the headlamps, one for the windscreen) and the water level sensor.

De-scaled / cleaned everything up.

By swapping the two pumps / connectors, I've been able to deduce that both pumps are working fine. The problem is an electrical one!

Now my inexperience is showing...

The diagram inside the fusebox suggests they share a 40-amp fuse which is fine.

The connector itself (at the pump end) looks OK - it's the black one in this photo.

What next?! Any help gratefully received...


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take it you swopped the connectors on the pumps and operated the headlight washers and the screen washers then worked ?


The wiper stalk .. its x2 contacts that are pushed together inside the assembly so if it was me i would start there .
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Demort,

Yes, swapped the connectors over.

One of the connectors would operate either pump.

One of the connectors would work neither pump!

I didn't think there'd be a problem at the stalk itself (given that it's operating at least one of the connectors)...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the diagram above i would check for an earth to the pump connector (its permanent ) and a feed from the stalk when operated .

The headlight side is operated via a relay whilst the washers come direct from the switch.

There are other connectors along the way so you would check at the pump .. if nothing then check at the switch .. if ok at that point then its a connector from the switch to the pump .

Its the green / red wire that goes to the switch .

EDIT

The diagram shows the black plug with the yellow white wire as the headlamp washer
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Demort - will give that a go tomorrow!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demort wrote:
The headlight side is operated via a relay whilst the washers come direct from the switch.

Its the green / red wire that goes to the switch .

EDIT

The diagram shows the black plug with the yellow white wire as the headlamp washer
Confused


Hmm, looks like they may have been re-connected wrongly (following my scuttle repairs).

My guess is that the green + brown connector should have been plugged into the windscreen pump. And the yellow + brown should have gone to the headlamp pump.

They were the other way round.

Which could mean that the problem could be a faulty relay in the fuse box?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, thinking about it further...I wonder if switching the connectors over (to the correct pumps) will sort the problem. Will update in the morning!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update: connectors now attached to the correct pumps. Windscreen wash function restored to perfect working order. Headlamp system not working! I'm not convinced this ever worked (in my ownership). Suspect it may be the relay. Will get to that in good time. Meantime, I can wash my windscreen - either normally or 'intensively' with silicone!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear you've sorted it sunshine.
Don't forget that the headlamp washer only works with engine running and lights on.....actually you may not have to have to have the engine running Question
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good call. Weather is set fair for West Cornwall tomorrow, so fingers crossed...
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