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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: If you had £75k to spend on a Porsche.... Reply with quote

As the title suggests really!

Thinking about a GT4 (I know they're slightly above £75k but with a bit of haggling etc) although also very tempted by an arctic silver 993 C2S for similar money. Then there is a gorgeous red 964 currently for sale as well...

All different cars etc but what porker would you buy for that money and why? Would only be used as a weekend car and whilst I'm not precious about miles it needs to be relatively safe from depreciation, which was why I was thinking GT4 / 993.

Anyone on here with a GT4 that maybe had something similar to what I have and can confirm that they are worthy of an extra £45kish?

I'm definitely going to chop in the Cayman S for something at the beginning of Q2 and would love to hear people's thoughts!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997 1 GT3 for me. Would require a bit of massaging to get a good car down to that price but that would do me nicely
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996/997 Turbo would be pretty safe depreciation-wise - former would be in budget easily.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

996 GT3 Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am biased, however I have owned turbo charged water cooled Pork. 993C2S would be my choice.
The quirkiness, smell, sound and feel of the air-cooled cars is something very different to the modern water cooled era. Perfect for a weekend car and with a decent suspension setup still very rewarding and fun to drive. You can also exploit the power so much more on our congested & speed camera ridden roads.

Big bonus is that it's better than cash in the bank. Thumb

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having made a similar move with a similar budget, my opinion on what meet could meet your brief for holding their value and being a bit special. It's really down to what would give you the most pleasure to own and drive. In no particular order:-

Cayman GT4
- modern, fast, have lost some value from the 95k area, could be a good time

997.1 GT3
- definitely special, prices have flatlined, just above 996 but quite a bit lower than 997.2, so look good value, quite hard to find

997.2 GTS
- the great all rounder, only made for a couple of years, most capable Carrera ever made? £75k would get a low mileage peach of a car

997.1.5 Turbo manual or 997.2 Turbo PDK
- all about the power, an event to drive but how often can you get to do it on our overcrowded roads?

993 C2S
- oozes charm and character, more exploitable on the road than the cars above, but it's not a modern car so takes some getting used to
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me it would have to be.

No 1 997 gen 2 turbo.

No 2 997 gen2 GTS

If only I had that extra 25k when I bought my 997.1 turbo manual.

But still worship the car.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont dismiss the 964 without a decent drive in one, perfectly usable all year round , you must try one https://vimeo.com/72097363
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

997.2 turbo..... Oh hang on..... Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 isn't really safe from depreciation - they made a lot of them and there are always plenty on the market in whatever spec you might want. Air cooled or GT3 make much more sense to my mind if residuals are a key focus. 997s (particularly GTSs with the right spec and Turbos) are almost certainly a better long term play than the GT4 at its current level too I reckon. Dont know
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The decision may well come down to finding the right car in the right condition. Not easy to compare three cars with very different strengths.

How, for example, can you compare a GT3 with a 993? Add the option of a turbo and you will go around in circles for ever.

I'm biased, but the GT3 is astounding.

The Turbo is also amazing but in a different way.

The 993 is also a special car but obviously does not have the performance of the other two.

Nobody can tell you what to do. It's a case of you deciding, if you had any one of the three cars, would you still feel the need to own one of the other cars?

I spent a huge amount of time and effort before I ended up with a GT3. Finding the right GT3 was as hard as it was to decide which car I wanted in the first place. I too wanted either a 993 or a GT3. The turbo just didn't feel the right car for me, despite it's amazing performance ability.

If you have three types of cars on your short list, there are three times more cars to see. It's much better to decide which car first, then to try and find the best you can afford of that model. Not easy, but doing lots of spreadsheets with age, mileage, price and specifications makes the process a bit simpler.

Good luck and try to enjoy the chase, keep asking questions and an eye on the top traders.

Cheers, Keith.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KP964 wrote:
Dont dismiss the 964 without a decent drive in one


... and with air cooled you absolutely must try one before even putting it on the list - especially with right hand drive. The RHD ergonomics are somewhat marmite on all air cooled 911s due to the significant pedal offset and while many have no issue at all with that, to others they can be extremely uncomfortable over long distances. LHD - nothing like as much of a problem.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

....... Cayman GTS ...... and you will get some change ........ Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a testament to the RHD air-cooled ergonomic consideration. Loved the 993 I had, but my lower back and right knee really didn't. I'm not awkwardly sized or shaped, its just one of those things for some that you would be well advised to be as sure about as you can.

Interesting to watch GT4 residuals and indeed other fabulous cars like the 981 GTS variants, but the Mezger, air-cooled and relatively low numbers built are strong forces.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
GT4 isn't really safe from depreciation - they made a lot of them and there are always plenty on the market in whatever spec you might want. Air cooled or GT3 make much more sense to my mind if residuals are a key focus. 997s (particularly GTSs with the right spec and Turbos) are almost certainly a better long term play than the GT4 at its current level too I reckon. Dont know


Agree I think GT4's will fall further, if you want to avoid depreciation you either go air-cooled or 997 GT3 / Turbo, as I feel these have now bottomed out.

If this is going to be your only weekend car, and you intend on using it regularly, 997 is your best bet.

In general the market is soft at the moment and there are deals to be done
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
KP964 wrote:
Dont dismiss the 964 without a decent drive in one


... and with air cooled you absolutely must try one before even putting it on the list - especially with right hand drive. The RHD ergonomics are somewhat marmite on all air cooled 911s due to the significant pedal offset and while many have no issue at all with that, to others they can be extremely uncomfortable over long distances. LHD - nothing like as much of a problem.


I know and have spoken to a lot of people who drive aircooled 911s and although there is a offset in the pedals ive never actually met anyone who is bothered by it (not to say there isnt ) , if you have back trouble "you have back trouble ! " .... ive never had a problem with it and dont notice it at all and i do 2000 miles a month in my 964 i can jump straight back in after long journeys .
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

madalaa wrote:
....... Cayman GTS ...... and you will get some change ........ Smile


Hand You wearing those Jonttt glasses again Dont know

Try before you buy as they are all different. If I get pleasure from driving/owning a car, depreciation for me is near the bottom of the list.

GT4 will taper - but not by much and dependent on the 718 GT4 and what engine is in it. Could you get your name down for a 718 Spyder? I suspect there is a waiting list already but bulletproof residuals for 2yrs+

Air cooled looks cool before you drive it and the when you do reminds you of what people drove in 1970 in terms of ergonomic and creature comforts. But I kind of like that. Despite what some will tell you about values, and I'm seen as the Prophet of Doom Rolling Eyes they are an unknown. They are toppy so profit now will not be as great going forward where some have doubled/tripled the value of their cars in the last 3yrs Cool . That said what some people think they are worth is not what is realised compared to good dealer prices and those that sniff halucinogenic substances before they get the price gun out.

You're probably buying from a dealer and they will price 993 very top end with a big spread in what they bought it in at which is the relevant price value going forward as i see it.

Personally I wouldn't do all my £75k dough on Air Cooled but would consider buying one cheaper and enjoy it more rather than shaking like a shitting dog every time you drive it for fear of it raining or getting knocked what knowing that you've not tied up all your reserve folding into it.

All that said I'd buy a GT4 or 981/718 Spyder - but only because I've had air-cooled and scratched that itch for a weekend car. That said my next Porsche will be a daily driver so does't need to be that exotic as there will also be a Triumph Bobber in the garage Grin

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At that price point hard to beat a GT4 for fun and ease of use. Residuals will remain decent being a GT car.

Otherwise maybe a 7 GT3 etc but not as user friendly for road use (heavyish clutch and you really need to rev it out unlike the GT4)
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MJA911 wrote:
I'm a testament to the RHD air-cooled ergonomic consideration. Loved the 993 I had, but my lower back and right knee really didn't. I'm not awkwardly sized or shaped, its just one of those things for some that you would be well advised to be as sure about as you can.


As am I (hence why I made the point in the thread). For me in a RHD 964 (C2 Targa in this specific case) I always found the first 15 minutes delightful, however by about 20 minutes I used to get escalating pain in my right knee and not long after than my right foot used to cramp up.

The other noteworthy point is that in LHD cars not only do you not have the offset issue due to the wheel well, but also the whole pedal box area is about 4" deeper so they are appreciably better for anyone of a taller persuasion too.

As I said in my earlier post though - for many (probably most) it is a total non-issue, but trying them is essential before making a decision to go air-cooled RHD.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KP964 wrote:

I know and have spoken to a lot of people who drive aircooled 911s and although there is a offset in the pedals ive never actually met anyone who is bothered by it (not to say there isnt )


Kind of self fulfilling there - as a point of definition the people who own them long term are not going to be the ones who have an ergonomic issue that they can't live with are they? Paper Bag
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