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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:42 pm    Post subject: Suspension Dilemma! Reply with quote

The dilemma I have is this:

Keep her stock?

Or

Lowering kit and additional spacers?

..I think the arches need filling! However the Basalt paint disguises this somwhat.

If I decide to lower can I just replace the springs and keep the OE shock absorbers? If so, any good suggestions? Don't want to spend a fortune if I go this route and defo want to stick with a factory type spec as I am keeping a few quid aside for any more serious issues which may occur.. Neutral
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EGTE
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it a 40th-anniversary model?

I would keep it stock, if it is. It really doesn't look that badly in need of slamming (do they have M030 as standard?) and black helps.

However, you can just change the springs (and keep the old ones) if you don't go too low.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit I thought my C4s needed to be just a little bit lower so if there is 25-30mm springs available try that if your shocks are in okay condition. Spacers for sure IMO regardless of lowering or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EGTE wrote:
Is it a 40th-anniversary model?

I would keep it stock, if it is. It really doesn't look that badly in need of slamming (do they have M030 as standard?) and black helps.

However, you can just change the springs (and keep the old ones) if you don't go too low.


Hi EGTE.

It's not a 40th Anniversary model. Pretty standard spec as well from what I can tell. No MO30 kit either. If you zoom in to pics you will see the huge arch clearance, the black bodywork helps to disguise as a plus!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

coullstar wrote:
I have to admit I thought my C4s needed to be just a little bit lower so if there is 25-30mm springs available try that if your shocks are in okay condition. Spacers for sure IMO regardless of lowering or not.


That's what I was thinking regarding a spring kit. I am however a tad confused on spacers as the rears already have the standard spacer. A slight drop and track widen all round is kind of needed I think
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MisterCorn
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went with the M030 on my C2. It is a good price and although not original spec, it is OEM. If you have some miles on the car the shock absorbers would benefit from being changed.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go with what Mc said.

I have mo30 on my boggo c2 I just bought and now it has the 18 inch turbo twists and right off set it sits right with arches filled

I am not a fan of spacers myself as they can put extra load on the hubs.

Your call really.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the keep it as is camp, that's a lovely looking car. If you do them M030 is way to go
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously considered M030 but decided against it as on a C4S you are not likely to notice any real difference in ride height, and although good value considering its OEM it's not a massive upgrade over stock.....Correct me if I am wrong but I think the M030 shocks are Bilstein B4. The M030 will set you back £900-1000 depending on where available, or you can buy a set of springs for £300ish, run them on your shocks which will perfectly fine and if you decide to in the future replace the shocks with the higher spec Bilstein B6/B8.
The whole lot would maybe set you back £12-1300ish, but would give a nice 25-30mm drop and be uprated to a higher spec. Don't get me wrong m030 sounds good for the money, but I don't think you will see much suspension change visually and that's your main aim at the mo.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe they are B4s, but if your old ones are worn then they will be better. For the £1k you are getting front and rear ARBs, bushes, struts and springs. I did mine because the struts were rusty and the front ARB was also pretty rusty. The drop in ride height was nice and it was cheaper than just buyong the parts to keep it OEM. For my road use the B4s are perfectly good.
If everything else is good on yours then I agree with just springs or leave it as it is.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they do mo33 kit for 996?
I went this route with new OEM shocks on my 993 a few years back as the mo33 Lowers but does not stiffen as the ride was already stiff enough for me. Plus the kit was heavily discounted at the time which made it very difficult not to do a full refresh. The shocks that came off were in pretty reasonable shape..
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darren Langeveld (aka Teffers ) who runs destination Nurburgring track days changed his set up for Bilstein coil overs so worth pining him for before and after thoughts.

he has a really nice C4s too like yours and from what I hear he loves the way it rides, sits and handles now.

yes MO30 are B4s. the OEM coilover set up on my GT3 is bilstein too. and they rebuild them too.

linky here: http://www.northloop.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?55430-I-ve-got-996-problems-...../page2

there is one on here too but can't find it
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend you go the whole hog.. New springs, shocks and bushes. Did mine a few months ago, so glad I did. Remember it's 15 ish years old, if you're going to do it I'd say do it properly.. Top mounts, bushes etc will all be a bit crusty, great opportunity to make sure your car is sound for another 10 years!

I went for the standard OEM MO30 as I didn't want a trackday set up for everyday driving. It's definitely a bit lower but not GT3 like. I use mine everyday (sleeping policemen and cambered roads) so the priority was fast road handling and comfort.

Think hard about how you're planning to use it before spending thousands on coilovers etc. Too many cars these days have overly stiff suspension that's completely unnesserary and ruins the fluidity.

You'll be really happy knowing it's all new, it's a great investment and will only add to the overall appeal and value of your C4s.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, thanks for the feedback and comments Thumb
Some worthwhile considerations there.
Anyone else got standard setup with additional spacers? And what to do at the rear? Was the Porsche 5mm option specific to narrow body models?
If you zoom in to the pictures I have posted there is quite a pronounced overhang at the rear arches from certain angles which just don't look right given the wide body style nooo
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sort of price are you looking at for the full mo30 kit including fitting?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

APL911 wrote:
What sort of price are you looking at for the full mo30 kit including fitting?


£900ish for the parts, & a few hours labour so circa £1200.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is X74 ride height:

 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in the process of a full suspension rebuild that started as my just swapping the top mounts! ..but anyway I was about to press the button on an order for 4 shocks and a set of HR springs from D911 when I thought about M030.

Here's the question - where is the best place to buy it (I know its been asked a million times) as I seem to be struggling to get it for a C4s.

If I go down the M030 route I will probably still get the HR springs as I believe they offer a lower stance so the M030 will probably be offered for sale on here.

I have emailed Gert at Carnewal but if anyone has any other ideas other than trying my local stealer it would be welcome
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently went through the same thought process. I wanted to lower the car so looked into lowering springs and then man maths took over and I ordered a set of pss9 coilovers for around £1,800. I ended up cancelling the order as they couldn’t deliver until Jan.
I couldn’t find the same deal so ended up back to just lowering the car and ordered a set of RUF lowering springs. I’ve also bought a set of 7mm and 15mm wheel spacers.
I haven’t fitted these yet, the car goes on in Thursday to have the work done.
I’ll take some before and after pics and do a little write up on how the car feels.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diablos-666 wrote:
I recently went through the same thought process. I wanted to lower the car so looked into lowering springs and then man maths took over and I ordered a set of pss9 coilovers for around £1,800. I ended up cancelling the order as they couldn’t deliver until Jan.
I couldn’t find the same deal so ended up back to just lowering the car and ordered a set of RUF lowering springs. I’ve also bought a set of 7mm and 15mm wheel spacers.
I haven’t fitted these yet, the car goes on in Thursday to have the work done.
I’ll take some before and after pics and do a little write up on how the car feels.


Before and after pics spot on thumbsup

Can you fit the ruf springs to the standard shocks bud?

How much drop?

My thoughts same re. Spacers but can't find any decent before/after reference despite this being much debated before now Dont know
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