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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Ebay GT3 track car, high mileage, anyone know it? Reply with quote

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152747562791

A friend of mine is considering taking a look at this, does anyone know it? He's had a cat D low mileage manual Turbo for a while (which was what made me get a 911) which was a really good buy and looking for something similar to thrash to the Ring and the like. This looks borderline to me and a potential money pit so I thought I'd check with you guys?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sory dont know the car but I would say its over priced and certainly not an 'absolute bargain'.

Unless things have changed I dont think even Harry Houdini could make it disappear from the HPI register either.

Probably is a very good track weapon but its unlikely your friend would ever see his 50 'bags' back if he bought it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks to have some nice track mods, but a little tired round the edges,
69k miles and I bet 50k on track!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure this has been for sale before at a higher price. I've never seen it on track fwiw.

At 69K & with track use, there's a potential top end rebuild looming which is going to be well north of £10K done properly. Also, an £8K gearbox rebuild is only going to be required if driven by a mechanically unsympathetic animal who skimps on regular oil changes (my 155K mile / 215 trackdays box has had 1 bearing replaced). If that's the case, what else hasn't been maintained properly?

Bottom line is that using a GT3 as intended costs a LOT of money if you want it to last & perform reliably. I spend around £1K pa just on fluids & filters.

It might be fine, but you would need to do a very thorough PPI including ECU interrogation, borescoping & leakdown test.

Final thought: if it only involves a £300 Autolign inspection to remove the CAT D, why on earth wouldn't it have been done years ago?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this before and it was up for 60k. does the rear bumper look wrong and after market? it looks like it needs painitng again so maybe the car has had a recent rear end too on track?

get the reg plate and HPI it. drive it and take it to a specialist to get it checked over.

certainly has some nice bits on it but looks well used on track!!

to get the CAT D changed, NOT removed, you have to go to autolign to get the work done checked by the approved engineer and they re classify it. then when you do the HPI it comes up as 'inspected' so dealers and buyers will know and appreciate it. I would say 20% less than normal market value.

I got this done on mine. Engineer was super happy with the repairs and all good. mine had a front end knock early in its life in 2005 and it was repaired under insurance for a lot of money and put to CAT D. it was mainly panel damage, new bonnet and all the front ancillaries. I wanted to get the work checked by a decent outfit more for piece of mind really.

when you consider what's at the front of a 911 with the rads and pieces for cooling and then air con that soon adds up. a front bumper is 1000s alone for the GT3. so a small knock can quickly become 15-20k once you add paint and Porsche labour!!

there is no hiding previous accidents and history if its been recorded. end of. unless you ship it to another country and sell it there I guess?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

royal wrote:
Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.


I think he means the mileage, not price Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's not entirely correct. For a "CAT" to be assigned to the car, the insurance company have NOT paid to repair it, but have paid out the owner on a total loss basis. On a CAT D / C, the car then goes to salvage & someone else buys it & repairs it. CAT A & B are worse & the chassis has to be destroyed.

Repairs carried out on insurance are not recorded at all.

The rear bumper is indeed aftermarket. Given the Oakley Design brakes, I'm wondering if this is an ex-Oakley test mule. If it had Oakley's sequential shift kit on it, that would explain why the 'box was trashed Floor
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
royal wrote:
Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.


I think he means the mileage, not price Thumb


I did; the clue was not having a £ sign Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It always amuses me when a vendor says something can be done easily and cheaply, if you can have Cat D reassigned for £300, I wonder why he didn't do it!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Kirk does track days ?

Spending most of those miles bouncing off the rev limiter would put me off.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the cost for autolign is indeed £300 and I can confirm that. if you pass then that is the end of your costs.

HOWEVER they may make recommendations if you fail that could run into the 1000s.

thanks for the correction nick on CAT classification.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maldren wrote:
It always amuses me when a vendor says something can be done easily and cheaply, if you can have Cat D reassigned for £300, I wonder why he didn't do it!

I agree. Beware the "easy to do" sayers. At what price would this be worth taking a stab at? At <£39k it my jump in point post inspection all being well.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.

The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

royal wrote:
Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.

The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.


Looks to me to be a Oakley car, if I remember right it was bought by a company that did drive a sports car track day thing way back. As others have said there's a few odd things rear bumper gen 2 rear lights odd fit to the rear deck lid and front bumper. Are the seats correct they look wrong to me but not sure? No normal seat belts and no lap belts so only 4 point harness, which is odd too? And a track car sat on road tyres all seem odd. I know John Oakley was into intrax suspension and Pirelli tyres so the Oakley conction could be correct.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could probably break it for parts and see 40k.

As an “eyes open “ purchase probably ok at mid 40’s. the presentation for sale is quite poor. Ad, pictures, descriptions, car could easily be tidied up if the fundamentals check out.

It was discussed elsewhere recently at 10k more so motivated seller.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunno wrote:
royal wrote:
Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.

The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.


Looks to me to be a Oakley car, if I remember right it was bought by a company that did drive a sports car track day thing way back. As others have said there's a few odd things rear bumper gen 2 rear lights odd fit to the rear deck lid and front bumper. Are the seats correct they look wrong to me but not sure? No normal seat belts and no lap belts so only 4 point harness, which is odd too? And a track car sat on road tyres all seem odd. I know John Oakley was into intrax suspension and Pirelli tyres so the Oakley conction could be correct.


If it is the Oakley demo I’ve Been in it!

6 point harness, just lap belts are tucked away somewhere probably.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLW73 wrote:
does the rear bumper look wrong and after market?
If you compare it to any other 997.1 GT3, the exhausts exit point is wrong. On this car the pipes go through the bumper, whereas the norm it for them to exit in a cutout at the lower edge.

Anyway, the car's in Smoke on Stink, so my computer says "no". Grin
 
  
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