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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks Phil, ordered a BMC filter today, due to arrive tomorrow!

Thanks Kev, spoke to Mark @ Time Motorsport today and reserved an induction kit... should be an early Xmas present Thumb


Excellent, pleased your sorted Tony Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the competition charging for the same pipe?

Also didn't I read this be done by putting a cap inside the standard tube.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz parker wrote:
What are the competition charging for the same pipe?

Also didn't I read this be done by putting a cap inside the standard tube.


Design911 offer the pipework, cap, etc & BMC filter for £178.55 (inc Vat and delivery)

Samco kit + eBay BMC filter should come in at £139.04 (inc Vat and delivery), however you will need to wait approx 4 weeks for the Samco kit.

A small detail, but I wanted a black pipe and cap, as I think the blue Design911 pipe and chrome cap looks a bit MaxPower (one for the oldies!) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyC911 wrote:
Thanks Phil, ordered a BMC filter today, due to arrive tomorrow!

Thanks Kev, spoke to Mark @ Time Motorsport today and reserved an induction kit... should be an early Xmas present Thumb


Good call Tony, look forward to hearing your thoughts Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TonyC911 wrote:
daz parker wrote:
What are the competition charging for the same pipe?

Also didn't I read this be done by putting a cap inside the standard tube.


Design911 offer the pipework, cap, etc & BMC filter for £178.55 (inc Vat and delivery)

Samco kit + eBay BMC filter should come in at £139.04 (inc Vat and delivery), however you will need to wait approx 4 weeks for the Samco kit.

A small detail, but I wanted a black pipe and cap, as I think the blue Design911 pipe and chrome cap looks a bit MaxPower (one for the oldies!) Very Happy


Yes I wasn't adding the vat to design911 prices.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz parker wrote:
What are the competition charging for the same pipe?

Also didn't I read this be done by putting a cap inside the standard tube.


There are guys out there Daz that want to block the resonator while keeping the OE look they effectively bung the res hole then put the OE induction back over it . but the only gain from that is the slight induction note increase , they wont be benefiting from the incresed note from using a sports filter and improved cold air induction from using both the sports filter and the smooth pipe as the OE pipe due to its shape creates turbulent air which doesnt move as smoothly and quickly as smooth flowing air . the idea is to get as much cold air in as quick as you can . note the tiny little things porsche do to reduce output on the carraras to stop them being to close to the flagship models .
little things I have noted are
rearward facing air intake grille , gt3 has forward facing bigger openings creating more ram air
single air intake into the air filter , funny changed on the gen2 to a twin and the bhp is higher
dense paper air filters
smaller plenum and throttle body than gt cars and also the gen2 again more bhp
So that tells me that improvements can be made in those areas
then they put a restricted map on the car
and not an ideal high flow exhaust all those little things add up and we can tweak some or all those things to see real gains against the stock car. Thumb Thumb Grin

Some will argue that those gains are negligible or not at all but my argument is always in that case why did Porsche change those areas on cars that produce higher bhp if they dont make a difference.

also on my old gen 1 I changed all those things aero/gt3 rear engine lid and wing
induction kit, sports filter , gt3 throttle body and plenum , remap, and a high flow big bore sports exhaust with 200cell cats. and it most certainly made a considerable difference over the stock car. I am not saying everyone should go that far as everyone wants different things from there 911 but my point it these things do work some giving higher results than other but at a price . I think the induction mod is the best value for money mod you can do and have always said its the first thing every 996 and 997 owner should do. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get the BMC filter at Euro car parts at the moment for £52 if you use the mid month code on the site, hurry up.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can get the BMC filter at Euro car parts at the moment for £52 if you use the mid month code on the site, hurry up.


good spot mate Grin Thumb but no bmc for the gen2 on offer Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a burnt orange pipe a black cap in my garage somewhere if someone wants it for £35 delivered I will dig it out at the weekend.

How's the Gen 2 Phil?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can get the BMC filter at Euro car parts at the moment for £52 if you use the mid month code on the site, hurry up.


Top work Finn!!!!!

Paid £51.83 inc post.

Thanks a lot £22 saved over cheapest eBay one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a burnt orange pipe a black cap in my garage somewhere if someone wants it for £35 delivered I will dig it out at the weekend.

How's the Gen 2 Phil?


I'll take the pipe off you Finn.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will pm you
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a burnt orange pipe a black cap in my garage somewhere if someone wants it for £35 delivered I will dig it out at the weekend.

How's the Gen 2 Phil?


Loving it mate, but in all honesty considering the difference in cost the gen1 is all you really need, not sure the gen2 gives you twice the car for twice the money if that makes sense. Grin Thumb Finn hows your gen2 search going Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I will pm you


Top man! Can't wait to hear the difference with the filter too.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do like the thought of a gen2 but I am not sure if I can justify the uplift in cost on a weekend toy so I might stick with a gen1 for now then change up to a turbo one day. I am only looking again because I wrote my last one off! Plus I have headers, rrs engine mounts, 82mm tb and plenum and wheels spacers ready to bolt on to a gen1 sat in the garage and they only have a few miles on them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daz parker wrote:
Thefinn wrote:
You can get the BMC filter at Euro car parts at the moment for £52 if you use the mid month code on the site, hurry up.


Top work Finn!!!!!

Paid £51.83 inc post.

Thanks a lot £22 saved over cheapest eBay one.



Which model filter did you buy from ECP Daz?

Not this one I hope? https://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.8_2007/p/car-parts/regular-service/car-service-parts/air-filter/?909330071&1&409288ce4fbb2fc5e9ee430cdf2dfdd44cf58e2f&000008

You actually need the model below, for some reason ECP recommends the wrong filter, you will notice the different shape of the standard paper filter v the BMC one (i.e. not rectangular).

When I tried to order this from ECP it would not allow me to apply the discount code! nooo

https://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Porsche_911_3.6_2003/p/performance-cars-styling/performance-filtration/performance-styling-parts/performance-air-filter/?909330081&1&9c79bc130bf9e6f3e97a745d88b45f25aad4c733&000522
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't worry I think that is just a generic photo you should get the right filter
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't worry I think that is just a generic photo you should get the right filter


I noticed this old post before I ordered mine -
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=117390

You could always phone ECP and ask them to swap the the part and see if they will honour the discount, could be a result!? Question
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thefinn wrote:
I do like the thought of a gen2 but I am not sure if I can justify the uplift in cost on a weekend toy so I might stick with a gen1 for now then change up to a turbo one day. I am only looking again because I wrote my last one off! Plus I have headers, rrs engine mounts, 82mm tb and plenum and wheels spacers ready to bolt on to a gen1 sat in the garage and they only have a few miles on them.


I think thats a good call mate see if you can find a hartech car bolt the bits on and have a great weekend toy. Thumb
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I am waiting for the right car to come up but don't mind hanging on for a bit although I would like to be behind the wheel soon. I bet it ends up being a Christmas present to myself Very Happy
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