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jotaking
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Talk to me about Porsche Doppelkupplung Reply with quote

Was the PDK first introduced on the 997.2?

Is the PDK box the same across the range or does each car have its own version?

Does the PDK box get a "full on" re-design for each model..997.2 to 991.1 and then .2?

Is the box the same on a 991.1 Carrera as the 991.1 GT3??

And finally....

Any known issues with the system??
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDK_(Porsche_Doppelkupplung)

Yes to the 997.2 in 2009.

There have been issues where complete replacement boxes are required. Im sure there will be some to share these experiences :-( However it would be hard to gauge actual numbers and probably a tiny amount.

As far as use is concerned its just brilliant, the second version of VW DSG is (7 speed) equally awesome. Personally as a previous die hard manual fan im hooked!

For me personally with an item that's so expensive to replace I would always go the OPC warranty route.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 997.2 was the first time the PDK was seen in a mass produced Porsche, but it was initially introduced in the mid '80s for motorsport in the 956.

The 991 PDK was improved over the 997 PDK.

The PDK installed in the 991 GT3 has a different ratio over the standard 991. Top speed is achieved in 7th gear in the GT3 whereas in the Carrera models top speed is reached in 6th gear, 7th gear providing more efficient economy.

All the above, and more about the PDK is available via Google(other search engines are available).

Thanks for giving me the nudge to have a look. I wasn't aware about the transmission in the 956 until prompted by your post. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think in a 991GT3 the car won’t creep forward when in drive compared to the cooking version?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the PDK box in my car and it is absolutely superb!
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Demort
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best box to have imho .

They can be a pain when cold and maneuvering , they did have a lot of software revisions to correct this and a few other issues back in 09 / 10 .

Not every car had any updates though and i drove one the other day that was crying out to be updated .... not an indy job .

OPC and to a point Indys cant do much repair work on them and like most things they can break , there have been some cases of fluid mix internally ( 2 different fluids ) and thats a new box.

Some leaks again have required a new box .

As has been mentioned .. id rather have a Porsche warrenty if i owned one .. just in case .
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Demort wrote:

They can be a pain when cold and maneuvering , they did have a lot of software revisions to correct this and a few other issues back in 09 / 10 .

Mine is totally fine when cold and manoeuvering, feels a little too much like torque converter auto to be honest. Early 997.2 car, not sure if the software has ever been updated.

The 997.2 doesn't have the blip on downshift which the 991.1 does, wish there was a software update for that!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive only test driven a Cayman 3.4s 2014 car which was superb, loved the throttle blip on down change but do all 997.2 not have the throttle blip?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I own a manual and love it. There is no denying that the PDK is ***** awesome!!

I have done a couple of Porche experience days and loved every minute in the PDK.
 
  
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Monkeynutz
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the PDK! Have it on my 2010 C4S and while it isn't the latest version I am blown away at how good it really is. In Sport+ mode it's a riot and scared the pants of me when I tried it for the first time Wink

It is NOT bullet proof though.

At 32k miles my dash lit up one day with the red Transmission Emergency Run warning. 20 secs later and the car lost all drive and I was unable to do anything other than put it into neutral and wait for recovery. 1 hour later the car was driven on to the back of the recovery vehicle and sent to OPC. Seems after it cooled down the warning light disappeared and the car seemed ok.

Long story short it turned out to be a faulty transmission oil temp gauge which I gather would have cost over £1.4k to replace and fix but needless to say I was thankful of the OPC warranty and Porsche Recovery(AA) were simply brilliant from the moment I called them.


I can't imagine owning anything else without PDK now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the first version on my late 2008 997.2 although it has had the software updated. (I've not had any judder since.)
It's generally brilliant in both modes but my only criticism is that it will override even in manual mode. For example - I would like to take Goodwood's chicane in 3rd to use the engine's torque to pull me through (as well as keeping the engine revs down for the drive by noise-meter) but when I give it some throttle on the exit (with or without WOT switch) it insists on changing down to 2nd. The solution is, of course, to pull 2nd going through the chicane. And that's one of its best features - seamless changes mid corner!
 
  
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