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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:31 pm    Post subject: 997.1 Remapping Reply with quote

Anyone have any experience with remapping their 997.1?

My car's had a bit of work done prior to my purchase, engine rebuild with Shrick cams, full Milteck system with 200 cel cats, GT3 throttle body & airbox mod.
Absolutely flies but low down is a little bit Woolley and I'd like to make it a bit more tractable for everyday use.
It's already had a remap but does anyone have any experience with suitable companies in the Midlands/Northants area?

As mentioned in my last post here:http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=123325&start=20
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I supposedly had my old 997 Cab remapped, but I say supposedly because the work was carried out by a PorscheShop so it’s possible they didn’t do anything. However if they did do something it didn’t feel any different afterwards. I wouldn’t bother unless there is a very reputable specialist out there (9e, Tech9 etc.) offering gains, improvements I wouldn’t bother.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramus at West Bromwich have a rolling road and DMS have a workshop there now
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DMS in Southampton did my 997.1, SL500 and DB9 very pleased each time
my current 997.2 was remapped by regal motorsports before I got it and have often wondered if a DMS remap would move it up a notch. Thumb

I do like the idea of ramus and dms on the same site , thats where I would be heading infact for me its even worth the drive to the midlands to get that combo.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My car was remapped by DMS, but mine is a turbo. But they are certainly knowledgeable in the subject. I would recommend them also.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep Rob at DMS is the man you need for this ! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a NA engine I'd recommend EVOMSiT through Regal in Southampton.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuart wrote:
On a NA engine I'd recommend EVOMSiT through Regal in Southampton.


Yes I had a DMS remap on the gen1 and a regal motorsport remap on the gen2
both are good options Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OMG I can't believe how are recommended DMS! frustrated

Please use ESMotor, 9e, Tech9... anyone but DMS
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OMG I can't believe how are recommended DMS! frustrated

Please use ESMotor, 9e, Tech9... anyone but DMS


+1 mate
I'd rather keep my 997 stock than take it there.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Ade must have not had a good experience with DMS but his suggestions of the other three are all very good and I have never heard anything bad only good about ESmotors and there vids say it all but how are they with NA cars.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
Well Ade must have not had a good experience with DMS but his suggestions of the other three are all very good and I have never heard anything bad only good about ESmotors and there vids say it all but how are they with NA cars.


I've not used DMS myself but i know of 2 close friends that have, 1 needed a new engine after it was tuned lean and another had his diff trashed after they put his R8 on their rolling road without first disconnecting the propshaft and making it 2wd. I've heard several other horror stories but those 2 i know of personally.
On top of that i've seen DMS tuned 911 turbos with *cough* 640bhp run at TV & VMAX barely reaching speeds stock 911 turbos were reaching.

I agree whilst i'm sure they can do it Phil is right and ESMotor are probably not the right tuners for a non turbo car but whoever the OP uses please don't risk it with DMS.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdeD wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
Well Ade must have not had a good experience with DMS but his suggestions of the other three are all very good and I have never heard anything bad only good about ESmotors and there vids say it all but how are they with NA cars.


I've not used DMS myself but i know of 2 close friends that have, 1 needed a new engine after it was tuned lean and another had his diff trashed after they put his R8 on their rolling road without first disconnecting the propshaft and making it 2wd. I've heard several other horror stories but those 2 i know of personally.
On top of that i've seen DMS tuned 911 turbos with *cough* 640bhp run at TV & VMAX barely reaching speeds stock 911 turbos were reaching.

I agree whilst i'm sure they can do it Phil is right and ESMotor are probably not the right tuners for a non turbo car but whoever the OP uses please don't risk it with DMS.


Based on what ES can do to Turbo cars thet have to be worth a call just to see what they say. or the guys that did my gen2 Regal motorsport. but there are a few that come with good reviews on here Wayne at chipwizards is another one to consider. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdeD wrote:
On top of that i've seen DMS tuned 911 turbos with *cough* 640bhp run at TV & VMAX barely reaching speeds stock 911 turbos were reaching.


It is amazing how they can reach those figures on their dyno without changing turbo's and intercoolers.
Pretty sure there was a thread on here a few years back where they changed someones Gen2 intercoolers for GT2RS ones Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apollokre1d wrote:
AdeD wrote:
On top of that i've seen DMS tuned 911 turbos with *cough* 640bhp run at TV & VMAX barely reaching speeds stock 911 turbos were reaching.


It is amazing how they can reach those figures on their dyno without changing turbo's and intercoolers.
Pretty sure there was a thread on here a few years back where they changed someones Gen2 intercoolers for GT2RS ones Question


Yeah there was, i remember that... I like to think thats more naive than dishonesty but you would think they would question themeselves when they took the old ones out and they looked the same and had the same part number as the GT2RS ones Floor Floor Floor

I had a play once with a DMS tuned 911 turbo back when mine had the basic ES600 exhaust and map and pulled on him like a train. We pulled over and chatted and he couldn't understand how he couldn't keep up as his was DMS tuned producing 640bhp on their rolling road Floor Floor
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AdeD wrote:
Yeah there was, i remember that... I like to think thats more naive than dishonesty but you would think they would question themeselves when they took the old ones out and they looked the same and had the same part number as the GT2RS ones Floor Floor Floor


Very true, although with claimed 18 years experience you'd think they would know better Grin

Why take your car who someone who claim's to be able to tune / modify 16 different car's (and lord knows how many different engines) Vs a proven specialist eh!
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car Surprised


So this is interesting as I have a 997.1 C2S which I've got booked in for a remap with DMS in Jan having read decent things about them on this forum. I'm running a full SS Kline exhaust and BMC filter and I'm not expecting massive power gains but a bit more low end torque, smoother power curve and a clean up of the air / fuel mixtures given new exhaust etc. is I reckon worth a few hundred quid.

Based on the feedback above I've done a bit of a ring around on alternatives..

Out of those mentioned here I've had quotes of £500 from Regal, £780 from DMS and £1500 for 9e (all inclusive of VAT). Just waiting back for a quote now from ES.

If people have used Regal and would recommend them and they are the cheapest then maybe that's a better option.... will update once I've got a quote from ES but anyone else with opinions feel free to 'chip' in Grin
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regal are good, don't get me wrong, but that seems cheap for EVOMSiT map. This may be their own map? Just confirm that.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikee Quickstep wrote:
Riggerz wrote:
Me personally i would go with Es. I wouldn't fancy the wrong year of car map loaded on to my my car Surprised


So this is interesting as I have a 997.1 C2S which I've got booked in for a remap with DMS in Jan having read decent things about them on this forum. I'm running a full SS Kline exhaust and BMC filter and I'm not expecting massive power gains but a bit more low end torque, smoother power curve and a clean up of the air / fuel mixtures given new exhaust etc. is I reckon worth a few hundred quid.

Based on the feedback above I've done a bit of a ring around on alternatives..

Out of those mentioned here I've had quotes of £500 from Regal, £780 from DMS and £1500 for 9e (all inclusive of VAT). Just waiting back for a quote now from ES.

If people have used Regal and would recommend them and they are the cheapest then maybe that's a better option.... will update once I've got a quote from ES but anyone else with opinions feel free to 'chip' in Grin


My Gen2 has a regal remap , cant say there anything wrong with it at all not quite as grunty as the DMS remap on the gen1 but then the gen2 engine isnt quite as grunty anyway so its probably just that.

Your spot on with your expectations on NA cars its more about the change to the power curve and where its delivered than a whole lot more BHP in a place where you will rarely use it. You will feel noticable changes in the low /mid range. which for a road car is just where you want the wins. Thumb
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