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glazey
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:32 pm    Post subject: Failed Emissions Reply with quote

Hi All,
My 997 C4S has just been into my local OPC for an MOT which it has failed on emissions. They tell me this is due to a hole in my PSE backbox. They have quoted me £1500 +vat to fit a new one. It seems strange how this would increase the emissions.

Anyway they said they would have a go at fixing the hole and let me know today. Unfortunately it still failed, so i have brought the car home to look at getting the hole welded before paying for a new one.

On my way home there was a lot of smoke coming though the engine bay, when i jacked my car up I found that they had covered the joints on the exhaust with Silicone which had begun to melt and smoke.

Is this normal, doesn't seem right to me Dont know

They also got the silicone right down my drivers sill hopefully it will come off Mad
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this when my back box was blowing. My friendly MoT tester simply stuck the probe in the other exhaust, the reading passed, but he told me of the problem.

My Indy managed a decent repair when they were fitting my H&S bypass.

Would getting it repaired by an Indy invalidate warranty?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silicone sealer on an exhaust, what would they think would happen!!! AMAZING!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocking.....very few silicones will have heat resistance up to exhaust temperatures although i might have some at work that does.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is diabolical! Whoever did that is incompetent and shouldn't be allowed near a car again! It must be some sort of exhaust sealant, but it looks like a blind cobbler has applied it! There is no way you can fix holes in an exhaust for any length of time without welding.

£1500 +VAT is simply robbery for a muffler!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eejits!

Which OPC? Name and shame the fools.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see paying OPC labour rates ensures such quality workmanship........... Hand
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just had it MOT'd at my local garage and its passed. No problem with emissions????

Laughing

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name & Shame that OPC !
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Proof, if you need it, that OPCs are not the best people for some jobs!

Depending on the state of the exhaust, I'd either take it to a good indie to fix, or alternatively, replace (upgrade?) with new or used.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Outrageous Incompetence...wouldnt go near again.
Would find your nearest recommended Indy and go and have a chat with them.

http://www.design911.co.uk/fu/pt63_399_-cma81-cmo117-ct340/Porsche/997-MKI--911--2005--08/997-Carrera-S-2005--/Catalyst---Bypass/
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An OPC did that Surprised Surprised Surprised

I hope you refused to pay them until they clean all that off!

Yes a holed exhaust can cause emissions fail.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have learnt that unless it is a warranty item or needs Piwis then I avoid the opc. A Porsche Indy can do most things and for mot tyres and the like anyone inc kwikfit will do in fact they are often better than the opc for warranty cheaper and less likely to be looking for something which will bring another job.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wasz wrote:
An OPC did that Surprised Surprised Surprised

I hope you refused to pay them until they clean all that off!

Yes a holed exhaust can cause emissions fail.
Agree WTF

Get that printed off and post it to HQ Reading. See what reply you get back.

I'd be absolutely in a rage with anger paying £160P/H to find a complete neanderthals had done that.

I'd be storming into the Principles office, dragging him out and asking "is this acceptable"? "Then you B well better sort it out "! Whilst you're at it I suggest you review the skills and competency of your employees to work in the industry!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silicone melting? Weird, once the chemicals that makes silicone is set it's heat resistant, you can put fire on it and won't melt but shows a slight discoloration and a little charged..that's another story that what they done to the exhaust is unacceptable, I'd go back and tell them to clean it all off completely, I.e. no trace of silicone, and if they don't then with the pictures posted tell OPC that you 3ill take it to the next level to a lawyer.... I'd f*****g do it within a heart beat, maybe they can sort a free exhaust or part payment for one OR compensation...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

-- 997 -- wrote:
Silicone melting? Weird, once the chemicals that makes silicone is set it's heat resistant, you can put fire on it and won't melt but shows a slight discoloration and a little charged..that's another story that what they done to the exhaust is unacceptable, I'd go back and tell them to clean it all off completely, I.e. no trace of silicone, and if they don't then with the pictures posted tell OPC that you 3ill take it to the next level to a lawyer.... I'd f*****g do it within a heart beat, maybe they can sort a free exhaust or part payment for one OR compensation...

J


I would have thought it would melt and catch fire but ill happily bow to your judgement here as ive NEVER used the stuff on an exhaust .

I am however somewhat gobsmacked .. not only did they use a totally inapropriate substance there was no fault with the exhaust as it passed at another garage and also .. what really annoys me is they got it on your bodywork !

I doubt a first year apprentise would have even done this so my guess is the mechanics where too busy or off sick and the cleaning lady had a go .. bless her !

Im ashamed to have who ever did that in the same trade as me ..

You need to complain as if Porsche see this they will be talking to the OPC concerned .
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with all above. Excuse the pun but i really would blow a gasket if that were mine.

That looks like the work of a disgruntled kwik fit apprentices 4 year old son never mind a Porsche factory trained technician.

Shame on them.

My humble advice is indeed to take those pictures back to the manager, ask if he or she is proud of their work and think it acceptable? To think you cant get an OPC warranty if you have the wrong battery but a repair like that is ok? The mind boggles.

Good grief, i need another cup of tea, im now furious on your behalf!!!!
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recreational rage. Love it Floor
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Sorry, i'll get a grip, the PG tips is working!
 
  
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